Yes, let's generalise beyond reality to add something constructive. Do that on wowforums please, where it's no exeption.Originally Posted by thedreameater
Having wrath gear feels like you've accomplished something. Same wil a pve player having 6,5k. It's special. Now it's not anymore. And you distinguish yourself by a mount or a non combat pet. whoho.
Gz you just hit the constructiveness of the wow-furums.
I realy feel that people that welcome this change so hard, don't realy pvp much at all. It's more like "haha pvpers lost the privilege of having gear I couldn't badge farm!"
Realy... When I started pvp I sucked, I failed and sucked some more. And when I hit 1300 (after 150 games?) I bought the first item and even if it was low, I was damn proud.
And if you can't reach up to 1600 and get competetive gear(wich is all you need as a boxer) then you are doing sumthing wrong and/or giving up to easy.
No reason currentseason gear should be welfare. Everyone can obtain it, if they realy want it.
And one more thing, what you say realy pisses me off. Many of my friends and myself worked realy hard for our rating and gear. Lots of frustration, practice, fun (and keyboards in my case). And you say we cowardly hide behind gear??? Gtfo, ofc we will assrape your chrs if you show up in a bg with bad gear. We earnt to do so. Cuz of our hard grind to get gear wich exel at killin stuff and staying alive in pvp. And don't go all "many people get boosted in pvp!" bleh boosting in pve happens at a more regular basis.
Yeah, imagine how all the PVE players would react if they said all the raids AND heroics drop the exact same gear so that everyone can be equal. BUT if you kill the end, end boss on heroic mode on the top raid, he'll drop a slightly upgraded weapon.
Same argument! PVE people need to hide behind gear to kill bosses? They aren't skilled enough to kill bosses without the gear?
Oh wait, PVE is a progression? Well so WAS PVP.
Sweet* teams - <unGankable> - Kil'Jaeden US Alliance - 10x Shamans, 9x DKs 1x Pally, 10x Drews
QFT. Didn't want to type it myself, because i have no clue if this is indeed the case. I guess there'll still be heroic loot that's better and actually does require progression to be able to get it.
Back in my day - we had to climb uphill both ways to school. Sorry - that's what this reminded me of.
As an old school pvper (glad on my druid in s2, rival on my shamans in s3/s4, and then took a break for the past year so missed out on s6/s7, and have only been back in arena for this past month), I could really care less about this change. I never cared what gear OTHER people had, that's what I don't get?
This is what is making me cringe - it seems everyone here is ASSUMING that this gear will be welfare gear and there seems to be a whole misunderstanding of how the system works. The current structure on the point system in beta, is still being worked on but, currently you get zero conquest points for a loss. Furthermore, there's a limit to the number of rated BGs you can do per day/week (so, you suck, you get no points, get it?) On top of this, there's a limit to the number of conquest points you can get a week, so it's not World of Grindcraft. I'm going to fully expect a much smaller point gain on the arena side of things (i.e. no free pts for a 0 rating team).No reason currentseason gear should be welfare. Everyone can obtain it, if they realy want it.
Look at the current model for Cataclysm - blues from justice points (HEROICS), blues from honor points (BGs) - valor points ONLY from raids/daily heroic dungeon (i.e. the daily requires ~50 days to acquire ONE piece). Why would anyone assume that conquest points wouldn't follow this method?
Keep in mind that seasons won't last 9 months, normally, and I hardly think anyone will be gearing up using the welfare system.
You guys do realize that the main reason that ratings were removed from gear was because they intentionally wanted to make arenas optional, right?
Back to Warcraft!
Shaggir, Shaggira, Shaggire, Shaggiri, Shaggiro - 5 Shamans US-Coilfang(H)
I understand those who feel that they have earned their gear but since everyone is going to get all new gear when cataclysm comes out and their lvl80 hard earned gear(or not) is only good for vendors or boosting virtual ego... i'll say welcome to this change :P
Those good players are still getting their ego boost stuff to show that they can do pretty good job in pvp
All noobs or players who have less time to farm get their gear easier and gear stat difference isn't big so everything is more balanced(=good thing) but still bad players are losing. imo more balanced game is more competitive and fun it will go and i think it's good thing.
Cry new changes, adapt and play hard go pro if you can't adapt this game isn't worth of crying even if you pay 50+ dollars / month
No one is crying about anything, we're just discussing the changes, and what our opinions are regarding the same.
It's pretty interesting to hear other people's point of view until someone comes in and starts name calling like a 6y/o.
Sweet* teams - <unGankable> - Kil'Jaeden US Alliance - 10x Shamans, 9x DKs 1x Pally, 10x Drews
Ya, and I think I speak for most when I say that its not the fact that other people get the gear that is the problem, it's the fact that it can be obtained by a hamster accendentialy running over your keyboard (metafor please understand)
If more people pvp, then great news more varity in teams and closer mmr. But gettin a equal red helmet instead of a blue one isn't much of a carrot to me.
Gee... Some posts here ain't even worth answering gg
tbh equal red helmet instead of a blue one woudnt be enough for me either, ofc i wanna see some progress in pvp too so you need to make something to get your gear and feel that you've earned it but i don't wanna see gear with better stats as reward so that very good players get a lot more advantage than regular joe vs poor sucker
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