Holy crap -- PvP changes

[Mosg2]

I disagree with a portion of your last post, Eloxy--Just because you get to 1600 doesn't mean you're going to slowly crawl to 1800 just because you get better at pvp. Maybe you like playing a spec that doesn't work in arenas or you're in a BG that's super small or maybe you can't find partners that complement your playstyle. The point is that this change allows everyone to be on the same footing to start with--Then the best get the 2200 equivalent weapons. That's fair.

[Fat Tire]

I disagree with a portion of your last post, Eloxy--Just because you get to 1600 doesn't mean you're going to slowly crawl to 1800 just because you get better at pvp. Maybe you like playing a spec that doesn't work in arenas or you're in a BG that's super small or maybe you can't find partners that complement your playstyle. The point is that this change allows everyone to be on the same footing to start with--Then the best get the 2200 equivalent weapons. That's fair.

I am sorry but that is a complete misnomer. Now I am going to pull some statistics out of my ass here, but I am willing to bet cash money that 50% of the people who arena cheat in some form at 2500+ at least once. I could go lower on the rating but I am just using it as a avg starting point. Where +0/+1 are not worth it and -20 point losses would be too frustrating.

[Littleburst]

Besides the whole discussion. I don't get T2 weapons now and i don't think i'll get them when cata hits. Simply because i'm not epic pro etc. I could get it if i got a partner with the same skill or higher, but pffff. All for 100 SP more, like we don't oneshot people allready.

It's the set that makes the difference, not a T2 wep. So that's not gonna matter crap in arena either really.

[Whowantstoknow]

Besides the whole discussion. I don't get T2 weapons now and i don't think i'll get them when cata hits. Simply because i'm not epic pro etc. I could get it if i got a partner with the same skill or higher, but pffff. All for 100 SP more, like we don't oneshot people allready.

It's the set that makes the difference, not a T2 wep. So that's not gonna matter crap in arena either really.

For melee the extra damage is quite a lot. For casters less so.

I like the change but not because i couldnt get the gear (I could pay to be carried to 2200 if i wanted) but because there will be a more even spread of skill from 1000 to 2500+ instead of mediocre players getting to 1000 and stopping because they cant get any more gear.

[Mosg2]

@Fat Tire:
I completely agree with you--In the current system.

I'm just saying that for Cata it'll work much better, especially with the consolidation of BG and Arena servers.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Wait a minute. Let me see if I have this right. Folks are saying that Arena rating indicates skill level, but they don't want anyone with less skill (lower rating) to get the same gear stats (as opposed to gear look) as them. So what you folks who don't like the change are saying is that you have an advantage in gear and you don't want to lose that advantage? Understandable, but if all you want is recognition that you're better than the rest of us mouthbreathers, they're giving you that with unique graphical effects for your iPwn gear. So what's the problem again? Don't you want more teams around your level to fight (at least while you're climbing the ladder)? Don't you want more new folks to play against to challenge you with new and unique comps and playstyles?

This sounds suspiciously like the twink debate around the time the xp/no-xp change was going live.

I remember doing raids in DAoC into Tuscaren Glacier, Prince raids, Dragon raids and other stuff where the gear you got was for show 99% of the time as crafted 99/100% weapons were significantly better. Didn't stop us from enjoying the TG/Prince raids. Interesting to see the shift from "that was cool" to "meh, it might be cool but unless it has +1 str on it, just d/e it and gimme the shard."

I R amused.

[Fat Tire]

@Fat Tire:
I completely agree with you--In the current system.

I'm just saying that for Cata it'll work much better, especially with the consolidation of BG and Arena servers.

I would love a source about consolidation of arena servers as I have read nothing of the sort and I consider myself an up-to-date type of person. I read about the Rated BG consolidation but even then its still horde vs alliance only, it will be the same ladder type scaling, once you get past a certain threshold its all the same. Nothing will change. How can anyone measure skill or even call it that when cheating is so rampant. This is why I have preached of playing for yourself and only for yourself, enjoying the mindless entertainment it brings and playing the game for what it is.

[thedreameater]

Skilled pvp players welcome an even playing field. Bads need to hide behind gear.

[valkry]

Skilled pvp players welcome an even playing field. Bads need to hide behind gear.

Quoted for truth.

Also, I don't like that I have to do arena for the best pvp gear. I MUCH prefer BGs and world pvp. I nearly have battlemaster and that arguably takes some skill, yet I only get the same gear as the honour grinders. I like the fact gear will be almost the same for everyone. Also takes out the "he was better geared than me" excuse for losing.

[cmeche]

Skilled pvp players welcome an even playing field. Bads need to hide behind gear.

Quoted for untruth.

I dont understand your point? How do bads actually "hide" behind their gear if they are bad?

"Good" players will always gear up with better gear quicker than "bads". So, "good" players will allready be maxed out on gear when these "bads" finally gear up. And if a "good" player cant beat a "bad" player with equal gear....then you dont pass go.