World of Warcraft Classic Discussion Megathread

[Curryman]

On Sunday night, I got a chance to record a second video showing off a, somewhat clunky, mixed-class team.

Thank for managing to squeeze in another vid before the shutdown.


Does anyone remember how buff stacking works? I vaguely remember stacking different ranks of buffs in Wotlk (such as shaman totem stacking).

Do you need to spread out the ranks across your characters to stack them on the same char? (Toon 1 - Rank X Mark of the Wild, Toon 2 - Rank Y Mark of the Wild etc.)

Does the same apply for HoTs or can 5 druids stack 5 of the same rank of Rejuv on the same target without adjusting ranks?

And for Paladin Judgements, can adjusting different ranks of Seals stack judgement debuffs on a mob? Toon 1 - Rank 4 Seal of Light, Toon 2 - Rank 3 Seal of Light, etc.)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Re: buff stacking, I think it depends on how close to 1.0 they get. Originally, I think you could stack anything that wasn't the same spell, and then some time later they made it so you couldn't stack the same type[/class/school?] of buffs, which is why some of us messed with some mixed group comps that could cover all of the types of buffs. I may be misremembering that, too, as I think there was a hunter pet buff situation that was very similar but came later when they "uniquified" pets.

[Acidburning]

My current plan is to roll 5 shamans.
Enhancement Tank
Enhancement DPS
Elemental DPS
Elemental DPS
Restoration Healing.

Some background, thoughts, and random stuff.

I have been working on my theorycrafting. Got the spreadsheets going. Starting to map out my plan.
Basically, I want to pvp and it's looking like I won't be able to PVP in AV since probably /follow will be removed in BGs like it is currently. Pretty bummed about that. 2nd best option is stick to world pvp.
I raided into NAXX in vanilla. It sucked farming for gold and raid consumables. It sucked trying to balance raiding and pvp. I only got to Rank 10. I was in a premade pvp group, and I just could not commit that much time anymore to get to R11+. I remember it being something stupid -- like months before I would be eligible for R13 or R14 (because of how this premade pvp group was organized).

We know it's ideal to have a mix group for 5man dunegon farming and grinding. I don't want to pvp with a Warrior, Mage, HPriest, and 2 other dps. I feel like this group would be very weak in WPVP.

I don't have nearly has much time as I did when I originally played vanilla.

It would be sick to have a vanilla boxing guild and actually raid MC.

[Kojiiko]

Enhancement Tank? Has a shammy ever been a tank? I dont in vanilla they were tanks were they?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Enhancement Tank? Has a shammy ever been a tank? I dont in vanilla they were tanks were they?

I ran several successful LBRS/UBRS runs back when it was 15-man, with an enhancement shammy tank with a shield. I'm sure it took more healing than a "proper" tank but back then you had lots of talent/spec versatility, and stats were not restricted to the 2-3 stats Blizzard decided should be the only ones that applied to your class. Hell, I remember having tanks with a 2-hander that were specced parry/agility IIRC.

[Acidburning]

Enhancement Tank? Has a shammy ever been a tank? I dont in vanilla they were tanks were they?

I have been reading some threads and successes people have had on private servers. I am going to give it a shot. Looks fun.

However, I also remember we had 1 in our guild. He would get all the leftovers from BWL, AQ40, and NAXX. He obviously outgeared the 5man content, but it was still fun.

I ran several successful LBRS/UBRS runs back when it was 15-man, with an enhancement shammy tank with a shield. I'm sure it took more healing than a "proper" tank but back then you had lots of talent/spec versatility, and stats were not restricted to the 2-3 stats Blizzard decided should be the only ones that applied to your class. Hell, I remember having tanks with a 2-hander that were specced parry/agility IIRC.

do you mean you ran with someone, or you were the shaman tank?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

do you mean you ran with someone, or you were the shaman tank?

Heh, I was never that well-geared. This was back when I was still a solo player. I think that person had just about BiS gear and carried a bunch of us a couple of nights. I think he had this shield: https://classic.wowhead.com/item=108...t-of-supremacy though I thought I recalled it being a standard medium triangular shield with a red flame logo in the middle. Too many naps ago.

[Apatheist]

Did druids have mobility of heals anywhere close to what they have now.
I'm thinking war druid 3 mages but I keep reading that priest is the go to healer for classic
I think this makes a good dungeon group and also best aoe farming

Healers don't really have mobility in classic. 99% Of druids healing comes from various ranks of healing touch, the same with priest. Renew and rejuvenation don't do anywhere near enough to keep anybody alive outside of a few particular raid encounters where spamming a low rank renew across the raid can be beneficial. There are also no purge protection talents in classic so your shields and over time spells will be constantly removed in PvP. HoT's aren't a reliable source of healing.

Druids also don't get a proper resurrect in classic. They only have rebirth which is on a 30 minute cooldown. Paladins can do everything a druid can do but better IMO. They heal better, they tank better, their buffs are better and they get a proper resurrection. The only reason to choose a warrior over a paladin is if you plan on playing the warrior tank solo in raid content. For boxing 5mans and PvP, a paladin will provide far more to your group.

My current plan is to roll 5 shamans.

Shamans have huge issues with mana in classic and do poor DPS. You'll have trouble finding a raid spot as elemental and the only reason guilds bring enhance is to buff the melee group and provide the spell damage debuff on bosses from https://classicdb.ch/?item=19169.

That being said, I have played with a guy who boxed 4 resto shamans and successfully cleared most of MC, ZG, Ony & BWL with 4 resto shamans cycling downranked chain heal spam on the raid. Worked pretty well. Less overhealing than 4 individual shamans trying to snipe health bars from each other.

On Sunday night, I got a chance to record a second video showing off a, somewhat clunky, mixed-class team.

Check this addon out
https://www.wowinterface.com/downloa...zDismount.html

Your rage issue trying to hold AE threat on several mobs mentioned at 11:04 is exactly the reason I like paladin tanks for boxing classic dungeons. Park your alts around a corner, pull to the corner and drop consecration so everything runs onto it and you'll never lose threat on your tank. I can't say enough about paladin tanking 5mans. It makes the whole experience so much smoother. Trying to hold threat on more than 2 targets with a warrior while managing alts is a huge pain in the rear.

Especially with mages as DPS since your paladin will have unlimited food/water to fill up between pulls. Plus all the other benefits I've already mentioned. It's perfect.

[Grundel]

Paladins can do everything a druid can do but better IMO. They heal better, they tank better, their buffs are better and they get a proper resurrection.

So 2 pallys 3 mages. One pally speced more healish one more tankish? Sound good unless you want to play horde then pally not a choice what are recommendations for horde

[Apatheist]

So 2 pallys 3 mages. One pally speced more healish one more tankish? Sound good unless you want to play horde then pally not a choice what are recommendations for horde

That's what I'm leaning towards. I'd build both paladins hyrbid so either can tank or heal just by swapping gear (20/31/0)

It has the benefit of being super easy to macro, too. Paladins can heal with 2-3 buttons, frost mages are literally 1 button DPS.

As for Horde it's tougher because not having access to paladins means you pretty much have to have a priest healer for magic dispel. Mages cover curse removal so I'd probably go druid, priest, 3x mage. Druids again are better 5man tanks than warriors because of swipe and they're also able to hybrid spec resto/feral so they can swap into heal gear for PvP without resetting talents (0/30/21)

That group won't be as effective in PvP though because the druid and priest are much squishier than paladins and the druid can't dispel CC from your priest. You could go with a shaman healer for tremor totem and swap a mage for a warlock for the felhunter magic dispel every 8 sec. Still not as effective in PvP but should work fine for PvE.

Paladin tanks are a total game changer for me though. Being able to bubble out of all CC and dispel everybody else in the party. Just one more advantage. Paladins OP for boxing.