Earthquake

[Khatovar]

Have you tried making use of the Custom Lag Tolerance slider?

[Nikita]

I'll probably spec back to it next patch. At the moment I have gone for spark of life in the resto tree and instant ghost wolf instead. haven't worried about lava surge either. Might also spec out of the spirit hit talent and go for the 12% magic dmg reduction instead also.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...talent/primary


This is my specc

[valkry]

Have you tried making use of the Custom Lag Tolerance slider?

Yes, multiple times.

Nice spec Nikita, looking at it now, I agree with Precision over Acuity, though I have both in mine (below). Keep in mind I BG like 10 times more than I arena (only for points) so I have gone for instant ghost over AR (though I wish I could grab it lol).

To be honest, the main reason why I specced out of EQ is because I haven't been able to get mouse broadcasting working properly with keyclone. it keeps bugging out and alt tabbing me when i go to broadcast, so I changed my play style a bit and removed it from my considerations (Blizz nerfing it didn't help either).

The other difference is Earth's Grasp. I just love feedback too much in BGs (whereas it's not as good in arenas).

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...talent/primary

[Nikita]

Remember that critt isnt a desirable stat for elemental shamans.

[Lyonheart]

Remember that critt isnt a desirable stat for elemental shamans.

In order of rank it is the "least" desirable. But if its the only dps upgrade choice.. take it.. it effects LBs and CLs. You want every DPS talent you can take.

[Nikita]

That kinda depends if you are going PvE or PvP. For PvP, you can put your points into something else that would help out more in a PvP situation

[zenga]

The value of crit is quite often underestimated for ele in pvp. Definitely for boxers: lets say you play 4 ele shamans, who each have 20% crit chance.
When you cast the same spell on all 4 toons, then the chance that one crits is:
[(1 - (0.8*0.8*0.8*0.8) )*100]= 59%
When you spec into acuity, this changes into 65%, which outweighs the extra damage gained from elemental precision by miles. It's not even a discussion that acuity > elemental precision in full ruthless gear. You can easily reach the hit cap and still have decent mastery & haste values. Into 4.3 where the flametongue imbue gets replaced from a flat spellpower value to a dmg buff, the value becomes even bigger.

If you swap around other talents, that is up what you do (bg/arnea) and to your playstyle/comp.

Not really related to boxing, but there was an interesting discussion on skill capped the other day about crit. One of the better pvp'ing ele shamans out there made a claim that he prioritized crit over mastery and haste for arena. He never really explained in detail why, but there were a couple of interesting reasons being discussed why that is. My theory is that it mainly depends on the comp you play. I've seen ele's who mainly shock / kite all the time rather than hard cast, trying to create a window of opportunity by cc to burst hard with fs/lvb. If you find yourself shock/off healing all the time, a pure crit spec becomes really interesting.

[Lyonheart]

EP is also 3% more damage to all damage.. so it not just +hit. 3% is a lot X5

[zenga]

EP is also 3% more damage to all damage.. so it not just +hit. 3% is a lot X5

It doesn't matter if it's x5 or not, it stays 3%. If you have a spell that does 10k dmg, you'll normally do 40.000 dmg with 4x ele. With 3% elemental precision you'll do 41,200. Increasing the chance that 1 of your spells doubles it's value due to a crit by roughly 6% at the values I used in my example is just far superior, even more if you factor in the overloads.

It's - and don't take this personal - mathematically plain stupid to take elemental precision over acuity as a multiboxer.

[Lyonheart]

It doesn't matter if it's x5 or not, it stays 3%. If you have a spell that does 10k dmg, you'll normally do 40.000 dmg with 4x ele. With 3% elemental precision you'll do 41,200. Increasing the chance that 1 of your spells doubles it's value due to a crit by roughly 6% at the values I used in my example is just far superior, even more if you factor in the overloads.

It's - and don't take this personal - mathematically plain stupid to take elemental precision over acuity as a multiboxer.

I was not arguing that it is better than acuity. ( did I ever say that? )I keep seeing people talk about skipping the +hit talent not understanding that it is a damage increase talent ASIDE from the hit. In any build where you want to maximize DPS it is not an option to not take all 3 points in it. For PvP i can see skipping it for survivability or mobility..better healing or whatever. I just think its not the best thing to skip. More damage is always better, PvP or PvE. And more so when your talking about multiples of the same class all casting at the same time.

But yea, skipping acuity is not a smart option either.