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[Lyonheart]

EP is also 3% more damage to all damage.. so it not just +hit. 3% is a lot X5

[zenga]

EP is also 3% more damage to all damage.. so it not just +hit. 3% is a lot X5

It doesn't matter if it's x5 or not, it stays 3%. If you have a spell that does 10k dmg, you'll normally do 40.000 dmg with 4x ele. With 3% elemental precision you'll do 41,200. Increasing the chance that 1 of your spells doubles it's value due to a crit by roughly 6% at the values I used in my example is just far superior, even more if you factor in the overloads.

It's - and don't take this personal - mathematically plain stupid to take elemental precision over acuity as a multiboxer.

[Lyonheart]

It doesn't matter if it's x5 or not, it stays 3%. If you have a spell that does 10k dmg, you'll normally do 40.000 dmg with 4x ele. With 3% elemental precision you'll do 41,200. Increasing the chance that 1 of your spells doubles it's value due to a crit by roughly 6% at the values I used in my example is just far superior, even more if you factor in the overloads.

It's - and don't take this personal - mathematically plain stupid to take elemental precision over acuity as a multiboxer.

I was not arguing that it is better than acuity. ( did I ever say that? )I keep seeing people talk about skipping the +hit talent not understanding that it is a damage increase talent ASIDE from the hit. In any build where you want to maximize DPS it is not an option to not take all 3 points in it. For PvP i can see skipping it for survivability or mobility..better healing or whatever. I just think its not the best thing to skip. More damage is always better, PvP or PvE. And more so when your talking about multiples of the same class all casting at the same time.

But yea, skipping acuity is not a smart option either.

[zenga]

I was not arguing that it is better than acuity. ( did I ever say that?

No you didn't say that, and my reply was more intended as a general comment to what was earlier stated in the thread (might not have been clear from my quote though). You said however that EP was 'a lot', and I tried to say it's not a lot if you weight it against other talents, that it's basically a minor damage increase in pvp, as a boxer.

I keep seeing people talk about skipping the +hit talent not understanding that it is a damage increase talent ASIDE from the hit.

very true, even pve raiders are often not aware of that (but obviously none is gonna skip it since you need a lot more hit for pve).

In any build where you want to maximize DPS it is not an option to not take all 3 points in it. For PvP i can see skipping it for survivability or mobility..better healing or whatever. I just think its not the best thing to skip. More damage is always better, PvP or PvE. And more so when your talking about multiples of the same class all casting at the same time.

It's not like there are a whole lot of options that skip. Personally I always go 3/3 elemental mastery, for the simple reason that when you cast 15 lightning bolts/chain lights over a 2 minute timeframe, where you have approx 5 overloads from with 15 mastery points, the cooldown gets reduced with 1 minute on the biggest spell for ele shamans. I find that a crazy talent and would never ever skip it for pvp. But I guess each person has his or her personal preference / playstyle.

I disagree though with 'more damage is always better in pvp'. There is a breakpoint where utility makes a bigger difference to win a game than pure dps. So not taking 3 points that give a very modest damage boost (like EP) over any other utility talent (be it roots, survival, reduced mana, w/e) seems to be the better way to go in pvp.

[Khatovar]

I keep seeing people talk about skipping the +hit talent not understanding that it is a damage increase talent ASIDE from the hit.

very true, even pve raiders are often not aware of that (but obviously none is gonna skip it since you need a lot more hit for pve).

Too true on this. I don't PvP, but both my Resto Shaman and Enhancement Shaman dipped into the Elemental tree for EP. It's hard to resist a talent that offers +hit and +dmg.