5s Arena and opening wave

[Fat Tire]

I hope not. I already aoe tank all trash in blues and 5 epics and we pug all raids on our server. It's not hard once you learn the strat, unless you can't follow directions.

I am only following their past decisions regarding the timing of nerfing previous content prior to release of new content. Not to mention the fact that this expansion only the hardcore are seeing the endgame. Heroics are not end game but they are a stepping stone for the most part.

[Shodokan]

Multi... don't you remember people getting furious while both relent and wrathful were the main pieces...and people STILL got 1800 with just that stuff. Albeit wrath had different mechanics in pvp this might pose more of a problem now. But with there basically being a 32.5% resil cap put into place (diminishing returns after that) it shouldn't put you are TOO great of a disadvantage.

[valkry]

I am only following their past decisions regarding the timing of nerfing previous content prior to release of new content. Not to mention the fact that this expansion only the hardcore are seeing the endgame. Heroics are not end game but they are a stepping stone for the most part.

"pug all raids"

Only th eharcore are seeing the heroic versions, as it should be.

[Fat Tire]

Only th eharcore are seeing the heroic versions, as it should be.

That is your opinion and blizzards apparently(for now). I disagree, but opinions are like assholes, everyone has got one. I have 3.

[Multibocks]

Multi... don't you remember people getting furious while both relent and wrathful were the main pieces...and people STILL got 1800 with just that stuff. Albeit wrath had different mechanics in pvp this might pose more of a problem now. But with there basically being a 32.5% resil cap put into place (diminishing returns after that) it shouldn't put you are TOO great of a disadvantage.

This means that teams will start gemming for dps and blow you up even faster

[Ualaa]

So after 32.5% Resiliency, gem Stamina if you want to have increased survivability.
Or for DPS, if you want to kill faster.

Ideally a mix, so you can blow anyone and everyone up, fairly instantly with 4x DPS.
But have enough defenses that your healer (or you) can react and save your toons when less coordinated DPS hit you.
At least in an ideal world.

We (and probably Blizzard) don't want to go back to first hit = wins.
Like in pre-BC battlegrounds.
But doubt it will ever get that bad again.

[Fat Tire]

So after 32.5% Resiliency, gem Stamina if you want to have increased survivability.
Or for DPS, if you want to kill faster.

Ideally a mix, so you can blow anyone and everyone up, fairly instantly with 4x DPS.
But have enough defenses that your healer (or you) can react and save your toons when less coordinated DPS hit you.
At least in an ideal world.

We (and probably Blizzard) don't want to go back to first hit = wins.
Like in pre-BC battlegrounds.
But doubt it will ever get that bad again.

I wouldnt be so sure on that-

32.5% being the soft cap in 4.1 before new/higher resil gear is released in 4.2 pretty much guarantees huge higher burst potential. Most pvpers run 40% dmg reduction at the moment and druid/priest and shamans are running 2/3 for 4300+ resilience.

People will hit the 32.5% cap in just mostly pvp set gear, this will bring back using pve gear in some classes. Warriors atm can 2 shot people in a throwdown. Also people have to remember that in Woltk resilience also affected crit chance which it no longer affects.

I wanted to add that I think this change is an attempt to curtail the current melee pain train.

[Multibocks]

Im not sure its going to work. Warriors are already a class I have to watch out for...

[Ualaa]

Well... pre-BC, right at the end of Classic Warcraft.
Every class could either one-shot or two-shot any other class.

I don't think we will again get to the point where any geared toon will automatically win against any other geared toon (every time), because they pushed their initial attack key first.
Sure a given class might have an overpowered ability, which makes them a threat to drop someone fast.
But I don't see <insert weakest pvp class in the game> automatically winning against <insert the class hardest for them to drop> because they pushed "1" first... which is how late classic wow was for anyone with raid gear and a decent weapon.

[Fat Tire]

Im not sure its going to work. Warriors are already a class I have to watch out for...

They are pretty insane atm.

Ualaa- I think everyone is in agreement with your statement and its the main reason resilience was implemented. However, I think there needs to be more burst capability, especially with certain classes. Otherwise you have what we have now, long drawn out games that are tedious sometimes.