Mosg2's DK Manifesto

[remanz]

@Shodokan
We're on the same BG, so we can get in vent and queue for 5v5 skirmishes against each other to try this out. I would be very curious to try my team against yours. I have awful gear, but we can try this tonight if you want, I think skirmishes are still available... hit me up with a PM if you want.

4dks will melt the rets team as Howling blast is truly insane AOE right now. Rets have lost their cleave big time. With equal gear, rets probably can't stand up to the DKs.

[Ualaa]

If the debuff is 7.5k per DK, which with four DK's adds up to 30k.

Ideally, you'd want each DK to apply the debuff immediately.
And to use the other Unholy rune to apply the debuff again, at the 5 second point.
By the 10 second point, the first rune will have regenerated, which means another application.

So, Necrotic Strike will negate the first 30k in healing, every 5 seconds.



That means two attack sequences, really.
One where we want to put out an AoE shit-storm.
So we prioritize Howling Blast, over everything and Frost Strike as secondary because that can regenerate a depleted Frost Rune (or randomly another rune type, but if the DPS priority is Frost Runes - Runic Power - Other Runes then most likely a Frost Rune).

The second type of sequence is whenever we want to focus on something.
So 4x Necrotic Strikes every 5 seconds, as top priority.
And then whatever is the most DPS.

[Shodokan]

hm so

30k in 1 shot aye ? So my incoming 30k WOG crit becomes 0 when it hits, due to having 4 NS debuff on me. But 1 heal will wipe out 4 debuffs.


OR

30k incoming WOG crit hits, reduced by 7.5k , 22.5k still goes through. And NS debuff reduced to 3. In this case, it is nothing but MS. I would look at it as the same as 10% MS

I'm not 100% sure, all i know is there are multiple debuffs on the target.

[Mercbeast]

@Toned:
As it stands now, if I understand it correctly, the debuff doesn't "stack" in the sense that consecutive NS's don't just add to the running total--They just reset it to a higher value and refresh the debuff (-30% cast speed). If it does indeed actually stack then this team is going to be the runaway best team to play for Cata.

@All:
Good discussion so far. I think everyone has brought up a lot of valid points but I'd like to say that I'm really surprised people *actually* think that Rets will be a workable team in Cata. Yes, your healing is spread out over 4 toons which makes it harder to CC your healing--But your healing also sucks. There's no way for you to ensure that you're only going to be using WoG when it's at 3 HP without *seriously* lowering your DPS. That means that you never really know how much healing you're going to get when you hit your button. Also, you're one-dimensional as 4x Rets regarding healing--You can WoG. You can Holy Radiance. That's about all you can do in a combat situation. Having a dedicated healer means you have options. You have versatility.

Also, let's not mention that you lose serious DPS in order to heal.

The DK's don't have any of these problems. They DPS like madmen while I heal like a madman. If someone gets on me I DG them off. Or I aura mastery and keep healing. Or I bubble. Or I shield. And meanwhile my DK's are saying hi to whoever is most threatening.

And you just have to target the offender and grip him to your DK's.

[tanknspanker]

mosg, would you like to share some of you macro's you are using please?
like ur castsequence etc, pretty please

greetingz

[Mosg2]

I'm getting ready to go to work right now but I'm thinking that tonight I will make another video and explain how each of my macros work.

[tanknspanker]

I'm getting ready to go to work right now but I'm thinking that tonight I will make another video and explain how each of my macros work.

awesome dude looking forward to it

[Zappy]

4dks will melt the rets team as Howling blast is truly insane AOE right now. Rets have lost their cleave big time. With equal gear, rets probably can't stand up to the DKs.

I dunno... as long as they keep the bubble cooldown on a different timer with wings - the rets lose 50% damage from bubble, but regain 20% from avenging wrath. Simply put - bubble, pop wings and go to town. Hammer of wrath x 4 even at a 30-40% damage reduction is still plenty to drop people in 1 GCD. In Bgs, when facing off against 7-8 opponents at the same time, bubble, wings, and two of them will be dead before bubble ends, and another 1-2 before your wings end.

4 well timed anti-magic shells can mitigate at least one of the hammers, so it might come down to a who's better at CC'ing game.

[remanz]

I dunno... as long as they keep the bubble cooldown on a different timer with wings - the rets lose 50% damage from bubble, but regain 20% from avenging wrath. Simply put - bubble, pop wings and go to town. Hammer of wrath x 4 even at a 30-40% damage reduction is still plenty to drop people in 1 GCD. In Bgs, when facing off against 7-8 opponents at the same time, bubble, wings, and two of them will be dead before bubble ends, and another 1-2 before your wings end.

4 well timed anti-magic shells can mitigate at least one of the hammers, so it might come down to a who's better at CC'ing game.

Weeelll, I will let the DKs defend their positions. I am on rets side still lol. The DK team does have healer though. But I am not a big fan of playing healer yourself and controlling DPS at the same time. I tried it back in the shaman days. It was a disaster.

[Boylston]

Haha Boylston, I'm definitely still sold on the Shaman.

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