Mosg2's DK Manifesto

[Slats]

One target vs Many though? You would need to give up some of the Unholy Talents and maybe the Armor -> AP talent in Blood to get the Obli buffs.

Really depends though

[Shodokan]

One target vs Many though? You would need to give up some of the Unholy Talents and maybe the Armor -> AP talent in Blood to get the Obli buffs.

Really depends though

Yeah, the thing is though the damage is so high, at double the weapon damage we do now since its based purely on weapon damage basically... that means we would be getting about 35k crits with it, it has a high crit chance too =P

[zenga]

I wonder what's wrong with playing both a shaman team and a dk team. As said it's only a few days till new cap, and it's not like we're going to have to play 10 weeks all day bg's to gear up. I'm perfectly comfortable altering between my teams, moreover, the change keeps me interested.

[Shodokan]

I wonder what's wrong with playing both a shaman team and a dk team. As said it's only a few days till new cap, and it's not like we're going to have to play 10 weeks all day bg's to gear up. I'm perfectly comfortable altering between my teams, moreover, the change keeps me interested.

I'm going to do the same, i just wonder which I want to level first ultimately, it will PROBABLY be the dks.

[Ualaa]

Obliterate uses 1x Unholy and 1x Frost runes, per use.
Two hits of Obliterate has used 4 of our 6 runes in the first 2 seconds.
Which leaves us two blood runes, and three seconds before we get runes back.

In the first case (Obliterate), we have (in a 5 second window):
- 2x Obliterate
- 2x Blood Strike
- 1 second of damage without runes.



Howling Blast and Necrotic Strike each use one rune, 1x Unholy and 1x Frost respectively.
The two blood abilities will also use two blood runes, so whatever we pick for the first (Blood Tap & Blood Strike or 2x Blood Strike), that will likely be consistent.

In the second case (Howling Blast + Necrotic Strike) we have (in a 5 second window):
- 2x Howling Blast
- 2x Necrotic Strike
- 1x Blood Strike.



Which will be higher damage, to a single target?
Even if Obliterate is higher damage, would we want:
- a single target DPS move; and
- a multi-target and/or healer resistant move
Or to just go with one move over the other?

[Boylston]

I wonder what's wrong with playing both a shaman team and a dk team. As said it's only a few days till new cap, and it's not like we're going to have to play 10 weeks all day bg's to gear up. I'm perfectly comfortable altering between my teams, moreover, the change keeps me interested.

I'm going to do the same, i just wonder which I want to level first ultimately, it will PROBABLY be the dks.

Nothing wrong with it at all. I'm sure I'll have one eventually too, just like my DK+4xRets team.

[Slats]

For me Paladin + 4 Shamans first. They are my crafters with 1 of every profession except Herbalism. Plus this team has 2 types of CC, self-rez for wipe recovery, great healing dps and tanking.

This is what I would use to learn all my instances.

Levle my DK's when IM burning out or tired and on rest XP/grizzly hills quests/cata dailies. I intend to fully play both teams tho

And I will be levelling a Disc Priest and driving form the healers perspective if I enjoy it come 70 onwards in this team.

Can't wait.

[Mosg2]

@Boylston:
Did I do something to piss you off? I really don't think I'm overhyping this. The team is solid and comes with all the tools a team needs to be successful.

@All:
All of these hypotheticals about whether or not this team will beat that team etc are worthless. All this manifesto was supposed to be about was a concise way of explaining why I think this is going to be "the" melee team of Cata. I've outlined all the positives I see in it and all the weaknesses that I see and through it all I'm still sold hook line and sinker that this team will continue to be a powerhouse. This isn't an e-peen contest--It's supposed to be an honest sharing of information. Can't we all just get along?

In any case, Cata goes live in 4 days roughly. I'll be live streaming my whole leveling process and have taken a week off work. I'll make sure to mark all of my instance runs on JTV so they get saved.

[Boylston]

@Boylston:
Did I do something to piss you off? I really don't think I'm overhyping this. The team is solid and comes with all the tools a team needs to be successful.

ZOMGosh, no!!

I am trying to be devil's advocate for this. I'd love to see it work out as well as you hope it does. I just don't want to level my guys up before my shaman team...

I still love you long time!

[Shodokan]

I'm going to level this first as well... just dang 79, i'll be 80 by morning.

Not like leveling a new team is going to take forever anyway, only 30 hours which aint bad at all.