Paladin rotation problems and solutions

[Noids]

I realise we don't want to have a system that is necessarily making decisions for us, but it seems that it is already established that "suggesting" the next button to press is a perfectly fine thing to do. In the case of the addons already in use, it is not like the player is really choosing which spell to use next, the addon tells the player which is the best key to hit based on a set of variables at any one time and the player hits it. All I am looking at doing is streamlining the method of hitting the skill which the addon recommends.

Thanks for pointing out the cursor movement bit Jaf, I wasn't 100% sure if that was the case, but given the issue with targetted AoE I assumed it was something along these lines.

Would there be another way to export the information from WoW used by the addon to make the decision or possibly export the decision itself so that we could use ISboxer to execute the suggested skill?

ie. Have a bank of skills macroed to virtual keys. Addon makes suggestion of which skill to hit next, isboxer receives this information and your dps keybinding then actuates your virtual key for that particular skill? This would remove the mouse cursor issue from this problem.

Please understand I am not looking to cross boundaries that have been set here. The changes that have been made mean that we need to look for new solutions within those boundaries though and this might mean discussing whether any new solutions actually do lie within, overlying or outside of what is permissable?

[Jafula]

Would there be another way to export the information from WoW used by the addon to make the decision or possibly export the decision itself so that we could use ISboxer to execute the suggested skill?

ie. Have a bank of skills macroed to virtual keys. Addon makes suggestion of which skill to hit next, isboxer receives this information and your dps keybinding then actuates your virtual key for that particular skill? This would remove the mouse cursor issue from this problem.

Please understand I am not looking to cross boundaries that have been set here. The changes that have been made mean that we need to look for new solutions within those boundaries though and this might mean discussing whether any new solutions actually do lie within, overlying or outside of what is permissable?

You are still moving the decision making process away from you to a machine. Addon giving information to ISBoxer which adjusts keybinds automatically is bad (IMHO).

Basic rule of thumb for me is, if you can't do it, using the in game system (i.e. keypresses and macros) don't try and do it out of game.

[Noids]

Yeah fair enough. This was always my thinking also. I wasn't aware of the addons that suggested the best skill to hit next and highlighted it for you, which is what prompted me to start along this line of thinking.

Out of interest though Jaf, do you consider adding in a stopcasting macro for exo to be along the lines of taking away decision making? This seems to be a similar sort of issue to me (admittedly only one component of the rotn not the entire thing) where Blizz intends us to see the AoW proc and then hit Exo rather than be spamming a button which automatically fires off an exo only if AoW is up?

[Jafula]

Out of interest though Jaf, do you consider adding in a stopcasting macro for exo to be along the lines of taking away decision making? This seems to be a similar sort of issue to me (admittedly only one component of the rotn not the entire thing) where Blizz intends us to see the AoW proc and then hit Exo rather than be spamming a button which automatically fires off an exo only if AoW is up?

No, as far as I am concerned, that is using the mechanics of the game. Obviously I want to get as much of an advantage as possible out of the game to make multiboxing easier (hence Jamba). Anything that is in game, that Blizzard allows, I'm all for using.

[remanz]

Yeah fair enough. This was always my thinking also. I wasn't aware of the addons that suggested the best skill to hit next and highlighted it for you, which is what prompted me to start along this line of thinking.

Out of interest though Jaf, do you consider adding in a stopcasting macro for exo to be along the lines of taking away decision making? This seems to be a similar sort of issue to me (admittedly only one component of the rotn not the entire thing) where Blizz intends us to see the AoW proc and then hit Exo rather than be spamming a button which automatically fires off an exo only if AoW is up?

Huh, does stopcasting actually work? I thought it resets your auto swing timer. So you get the proc out, but lose a white swing.

Anyway, this is what you need for holy power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHUOcFcmHGM

pop the big ass picture in your slave window. when you see it, mash that TV button like no tomorrow.

[Khatovar]

Huh, does stopcasting actually work? I thought it resets your auto swing timer. So you get the proc out, but lose a white swing.

From what I read recently, /stopcasting doesn't reset the swing timer anymore, it simply delays it the duration of the cast. The problem with stopcasting in a fallthrough for melee is that it isn't instant. I have a little breakdown of some testing I did with it on an Enh Shaman and a Ret Paladin here.

[Noids]

Yeah stopcasting doesn't really work for me. If I work it into a macro I can go up to 10 seconds without actually getting an auto hit.

I have resigned myself to 3 separate buttons for the pallies at this stage. One is a FCFS rotation for holy power generating abilites which is my standard spam macro. I can maintain about 3.5k just spamming this macro ignoring AoW and holy power.

If I add in TV as a separate cast when all 4 pallys are loaded and same with Exo, I can sustain up to 4.8k dps.

Running a single pally manually hitting keys I can get 5.5-5.8k. The best castsequence I have come up with is 4-4.2k.

On a sidenote 4.0.3 Divine Storm has gone back to mana based with 4.5sec cooldown. Less damage than prevously but half the cooldown and some sweet sweet passive healing back for PvP etc.

[Fuzes]

use a movement instead of stopcasting .. u can do it manually by pressing (for example) "e" for the dps macro and "r" for jump with your fatty multibox ned fingers () at the same time or (much more "i have no fucking clue if it is allowed") add a action to press the "r" key everytime the "e" key is used . (i woulnt bind the default space key as jump cuz well ... i cant spamm e+space for a complete bossfight + jumping tank/healer sucks bigtime ;D)

jumping has the + that in wont break follow (what strafing would do) and the - that if u spam your dps/jump key + iwt key the toons will jump through the "boss" into the tank and will be cleaved