Paladin rotation problems and solutions

[Jafula]

ie. Use the addon which causes a flash of the action bar button as an indicator of where we want the mouse cursor to go. Bind a keypress which tells the cursor to go to a certain point on the screen defined by the particular colour of the flash used by the addon (hopefully a unique colour). Bind the release of this same key to click the left mouse button, activating the spell indicated by the addon.

Now I have no experience at all with writing addons so I have absolutely no idea whether this is a feasable idea. I am also aware that some people may see this sort of system as something approaching automation. It does not seem to violate Blizzards first commandment of one click, one action however. It does remind me a bit of some of the things people had tried to macro aimed AoE spells.

I wouldn't do this, because Blizzard (blue post) have explicitly stated that moving the mouse cursor to predefined mouse coordinates is bad. Also, the system is making a decision for you as well (based on the colour), so definitely not something I would use.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I wouldn't do this, because Blizzard (blue post) have explicitly stated that moving the mouse cursor to predefined mouse coordinates is bad. Also, the system is making a decision for you as well (based on the colour), so definitely not something I would use.

Quoted for emphasis. Anything that makes in-combat decisions for you or bypasses the "Protected" control/widget status intent = verboten. Note for the comprehensionally challenged: pre-mapped clicks/buttons that do not change based on in-game events is not what I'm talking about here.

[Noids]

I realise we don't want to have a system that is necessarily making decisions for us, but it seems that it is already established that "suggesting" the next button to press is a perfectly fine thing to do. In the case of the addons already in use, it is not like the player is really choosing which spell to use next, the addon tells the player which is the best key to hit based on a set of variables at any one time and the player hits it. All I am looking at doing is streamlining the method of hitting the skill which the addon recommends.

Thanks for pointing out the cursor movement bit Jaf, I wasn't 100% sure if that was the case, but given the issue with targetted AoE I assumed it was something along these lines.

Would there be another way to export the information from WoW used by the addon to make the decision or possibly export the decision itself so that we could use ISboxer to execute the suggested skill?

ie. Have a bank of skills macroed to virtual keys. Addon makes suggestion of which skill to hit next, isboxer receives this information and your dps keybinding then actuates your virtual key for that particular skill? This would remove the mouse cursor issue from this problem.

Please understand I am not looking to cross boundaries that have been set here. The changes that have been made mean that we need to look for new solutions within those boundaries though and this might mean discussing whether any new solutions actually do lie within, overlying or outside of what is permissable?

[Jafula]

Would there be another way to export the information from WoW used by the addon to make the decision or possibly export the decision itself so that we could use ISboxer to execute the suggested skill?

ie. Have a bank of skills macroed to virtual keys. Addon makes suggestion of which skill to hit next, isboxer receives this information and your dps keybinding then actuates your virtual key for that particular skill? This would remove the mouse cursor issue from this problem.

Please understand I am not looking to cross boundaries that have been set here. The changes that have been made mean that we need to look for new solutions within those boundaries though and this might mean discussing whether any new solutions actually do lie within, overlying or outside of what is permissable?

You are still moving the decision making process away from you to a machine. Addon giving information to ISBoxer which adjusts keybinds automatically is bad (IMHO).

Basic rule of thumb for me is, if you can't do it, using the in game system (i.e. keypresses and macros) don't try and do it out of game.

[Noids]

Yeah fair enough. This was always my thinking also. I wasn't aware of the addons that suggested the best skill to hit next and highlighted it for you, which is what prompted me to start along this line of thinking.

Out of interest though Jaf, do you consider adding in a stopcasting macro for exo to be along the lines of taking away decision making? This seems to be a similar sort of issue to me (admittedly only one component of the rotn not the entire thing) where Blizz intends us to see the AoW proc and then hit Exo rather than be spamming a button which automatically fires off an exo only if AoW is up?

[Jafula]

Out of interest though Jaf, do you consider adding in a stopcasting macro for exo to be along the lines of taking away decision making? This seems to be a similar sort of issue to me (admittedly only one component of the rotn not the entire thing) where Blizz intends us to see the AoW proc and then hit Exo rather than be spamming a button which automatically fires off an exo only if AoW is up?

No, as far as I am concerned, that is using the mechanics of the game. Obviously I want to get as much of an advantage as possible out of the game to make multiboxing easier (hence Jamba). Anything that is in game, that Blizzard allows, I'm all for using.

[remanz]

Yeah fair enough. This was always my thinking also. I wasn't aware of the addons that suggested the best skill to hit next and highlighted it for you, which is what prompted me to start along this line of thinking.

Out of interest though Jaf, do you consider adding in a stopcasting macro for exo to be along the lines of taking away decision making? This seems to be a similar sort of issue to me (admittedly only one component of the rotn not the entire thing) where Blizz intends us to see the AoW proc and then hit Exo rather than be spamming a button which automatically fires off an exo only if AoW is up?

Huh, does stopcasting actually work? I thought it resets your auto swing timer. So you get the proc out, but lose a white swing.

Anyway, this is what you need for holy power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHUOcFcmHGM

pop the big ass picture in your slave window. when you see it, mash that TV button like no tomorrow.

[Khatovar]

Huh, does stopcasting actually work? I thought it resets your auto swing timer. So you get the proc out, but lose a white swing.

From what I read recently, /stopcasting doesn't reset the swing timer anymore, it simply delays it the duration of the cast. The problem with stopcasting in a fallthrough for melee is that it isn't instant. I have a little breakdown of some testing I did with it on an Enh Shaman and a Ret Paladin here.