oFollow Discussion

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Originally Posted by Shodokan

Also for the addon to do overlays... you have to unlock the API to allow it which is also against TOS. (much like some people remove locked API for scripting their rotation etc like you could back in WOTLK)

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Its not like these addons who use 3d projected textures. This is locked since LK or Cata. ofollow use standard frames

I don't know how it works... but I know you're not supposed to charge for an addon.

If the program is a licensing device of some sort, to all the addon to work...
But doesn't actually do anything else.

And the addon, which uses Blizzard provided API achieves its' magic via the addon system...
It could very well be removed tomorrow, for bypassing a feature which was removed.
But then again, so could IWT -- whether with a Vendor, a Mount or a player Druid in Stag Form.

If it uses Blizzard addon code (the Blizzard API) to do its' functionality, it is allowed within Warcraft until such time as Blizzard changes their API to disallow whatever functions the addon uses.

IS Boxer has the ability to withhold the sending of keys, despite having the keys pushed.
So if this program/addon were to broadcast your movement key (on the main) to W + A + D on the slaves, and then withheld the A and D on occasion... to correct your aim...
As long as everything that determined positioning was done with the Blizzard API (functionality provided for addons to use), it would be entirely fine.



On the other hand, if it reads memory or otherwise scans the game, then it probably isn't going to be allowed long term.

I could also see including the program, as a requirement for the addon to function, entirely so that it is the program that is being charged for... and the addon is free.

I don't know enough of how this works to comment.
If it relies on the API, whether that functionality of the API is being used as intended or not, then it is fine to use.

Again though, that is speculation.
Keyclone has been legit forever, and a part of the boxing community far longer than myself.
That he has developed it, and not someone who is new/unknown to the community, supports that it might not be against the ToS/EULA.
But I don't really know...

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Originally Posted by ebony

Oh come on already! We Been doing stuff blizzard has not wanted in a long time here's a few.

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There's a VAST difference between doing stuff "Blizzard doesn't want" and using standard functions to serve our purposes. If Blizzard doesn't want us to use something, they'll remove the functionality, tell us "We don't like how this was being used" and leave it at that, just like they did with the old Decursive, whispercasting, minimap ping-targetting etc.

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,,,,,,,,,,, timing got removed. We find a way round it.

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I'm still waiting for Blizz to remove the ability to use armor by slot number or allow it to have a failure action so if it can't be used it's just like trying to use a spell you don't have. Until then, it's fair game using something that is accepted by the standard macro interface. And even if it does go, people will just switch to using some of the other methods, like "timing" it through castsequences.

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ctm-itw had been a topic for a long time. Not what it was made for! (and i check every ptr patch waiting for it to get removed)

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I hardly consider that a "questionable" tactic. We're using it for exactly what it's meant for, movement and interaction.

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Spamming loads off keys at the Same time you get banned for saying this on the other site (or topics removed) dark topic still yet we all still use it. the "one key press at a time". is it ok to use?

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I'll keep my mouth shut about why it would be taboo "elsewhere" but I've yet to see anyone, at any time, banned or actioned for sending too many keys at once in this manner. Could you get actioned for flooding the servers? Sure, but I think you'd really have to go out of your way to create a hotkey that would send that much information to the servers. For our purposes, we have the ability to duplicate this with ingame macros by using /click.

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All the top stuff had nerver been oked by blizzard and has been use at own risk not saying we should use ofollow if its automated but bending the rules is what we good at. and if all this does is finds a system blizzard forgot about then its all good.

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Everything you've mentioned is wholly doable within the game using Blizzard's own macro system. It doesn't need to be given a stamp of approval for us to use it, Blizzard already gave their stamp of approval when they added it to the game for any player to use.

This, IMO, is not the same thing as what oFollow is trying to do. Blizzard very deliberately removed the ability for people to use the follow command in BGs. Then they came out and said "Hey, we did this on purpose, we don't want people to use /follow in BGs anymore." And oFollow is NOT using an alternative method as provided by an ingame function, it requires the download and use of an external, paid program that reads information on the game client to automatically adjust and move a specific toon in a very specific path to get to a goal location. There is NO ingame function that can duplicate this. It is not now, nor has it ever been, possible to do what oFollow is trying to do via any combination of ingame actions.

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Originally Posted by Feehza

i looked into ofollow

short summary of the functionality:

- get x,y values via GetPlayerMapPosition
- set dot frames and the color for it via blablaframe:SetTexture(r,g,b)


- then (as many others assumed) the binary reads out the colors of the dot and trying to reach to the position of the main via movement keys


i wont upload the whole addon and binary for a public download.
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Thank you for digging in to this Feehza. This works exactly how I expected it to when I read the instructions.

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

I don't know how it works... but I know you're not supposed to charge for an addon.

If the program is a licensing device of some sort, to all the addon to work...
But doesn't actually do anything else.

And the addon, which uses Blizzard provided API achieves its' magic via the addon system...
It could very well be removed tomorrow, for bypassing a feature which was removed.
But then again, so could IWT -- whether with a Vendor, a Mount or a player Druid in Stag Form.

If it uses Blizzard addon code (the Blizzard API) to do its' functionality, it is allowed within Warcraft until such time as Blizzard changes their API to disallow whatever functions the addon uses.

IS Boxer has the ability to withhold the sending of keys, despite having the keys pushed.
So if this program/addon were to broadcast your movement key (on the main) to W + A + D on the slaves, and then withheld the A and D on occasion... to correct your aim...
As long as everything that determined positioning was done with the Blizzard API (functionality provided for addons to use), it would be entirely fine.



On the other hand, if it reads memory or otherwise scans the game, then it probably isn't going to be allowed long term.

I could also see including the program, as a requirement for the addon to function, entirely so that it is the program that is being charged for... and the addon is free.

I don't know enough of how this works to comment.
If it relies on the API, whether that functionality of the API is being used as intended or not, then it is fine to use.

Again though, that is speculation.
Keyclone has been legit forever, and a part of the boxing community far longer than myself.
That he has developed it, and not someone who is new/unknown to the community, supports that it might not be against the ToS/EULA.
But I don't really know...

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We won't know unless someone gets banned for it.

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Originally Posted by Khatovar

There's a VAST difference between doing stuff "Blizzard doesn't want" and using standard functions to serve our purposes. If Blizzard doesn't want us to use something, they'll remove the functionality, tell us "We don't like how this was being used" and leave it at that, just like they did with the old Decursive, whispercasting, minimap ping-targetting etc.




I'm still waiting for Blizz to remove the ability to use armor by slot number or allow it to have a failure action so if it can't be used it's just like trying to use a spell you don't have. Until then, it's fair game using something that is accepted by the standard macro interface. And even if it does go, people will just switch to using some of the other methods, like "timing" it through castsequences.



I hardly consider that a "questionable" tactic. We're using it for exactly what it's meant for, movement and interaction.



I'll keep my mouth shut about why it would be taboo "elsewhere" but I've yet to see anyone, at any time, banned or actioned for sending too many keys at once in this manner. Could you get actioned for flooding the servers? Sure, but I think you'd really have to go out of your way to create a hotkey that would send that much information to the servers. For our purposes, we have the ability to duplicate this with ingame macros by using /click.




Everything you've mentioned is wholly doable within the game using Blizzard's own macro system. It doesn't need to be given a stamp of approval for us to use it, Blizzard already gave their stamp of approval when they added it to the game for any player to use.

This, IMO, is not the same thing as what oFollow is trying to do. Blizzard very deliberately removed the ability for people to use the follow command in BGs. Then they came out and said "Hey, we did this on purpose, we don't want people to use /follow in BGs anymore." And oFollow is NOT using an alternative method as provided by an ingame function, it requires the download and use of an external, paid program that reads information on the game client to automatically adjust and move a specific toon in a very specific path to get to a goal location. There is NO ingame function that can duplicate this. It is not now, nor has it ever been, possible to do what oFollow is trying to do via any combination of ingame actions.




Thank you for digging in to this Feehza. This works exactly how I expected it to when I read the instructions.

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yes am with you on most the stuff here. they said they never removed follow because of us. they just said there ok with us not doing it.

All I can say is that I have used oFollow, and it works great. Yet, if you are the kind who doesn't speed on the highway, I would heed the warning on the site.

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Originally Posted by Ronburgundy

All I can say is that I have used oFollow, and it works great. Yet, if you are the kind who doesn't speed on the highway, I would heed the warning on the site.

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Do you have the same feelings about bots to get you honor?

Has anyone tried asking Blizzard?

I see from the various Follow threads there are members of this community that have contacted Blizzard directly in the past to determine if what they were doing were acceptable. I appreciate Ron taking one for the team and giving it a try, but even if he never gets banned it isnt conclusive.

I also see this degenerating into a marketing war (not on these pages though) as people with a vested economic interest in either elevating their own product or denegrating the author of their competitors software begin to make this personal and use a lot of adjectives and invective without any definitive statements from a clear and unbiased party.

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

Do you have the same feelings about bots to get you honor?

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No.

Regardless of whatever method I want to use, or you want to use, to get my toons from point A to point B, when my toons get there I am in control of the combat functions, I decide who to attack, and how to attack them. A honor bot, (assuming one that doesn't just stand in place and jump), makes all of its decisions without any real time human interaction.

I am not going to get into it with anyone on the technical intricacies of how oFollow works, I rest my head on the pure fact that when I look behind my main, my slaves are right behind me, or they are stuck on a mailbox, or a fence post, and it functions the same, if not alittle worse than /follow used to. If oFollow gave the player some new kind of miraculous new ability that /follow didn't I would feel differently, but it doesn't it just does what we used to do with /follow, regardless of how it does it thats what its doing.

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Originally Posted by Ronburgundy

No.

Regardless of whatever method I want to use, or you want to use, to get my toons from point A to point B, when my toons get there I am in control of the combat functions, I decide who to attack, and how to attack them. A honor bot, (assuming one that doesn't just stand in place and jump), makes all of its decisions without any real time human interaction.

I am not going to get into it with anyone on the technical intricacies of how oFollow works, I rest my head on the pure fact that when I look behind my main, my slaves are right behind me, or they are stuck on a mailbox, or a fence post, and it functions the same, if not alittle worse than /follow used to. If oFollow gave the player some new kind of miraculous new ability that /follow didn't I would feel differently, but it doesn't it just does what we used to do with /follow, regardless of how it does it thats what its doing.

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I ask because your comments imply that those who avoid oFollow are just being overly paranoid and goody two-shoes. In reality, if oFollow works as others have described, then it's simply a gimped botting program. I asked if you were ok with honor botting and your response makes very little sense - you're not ok with it because those programs because they make all decisions, yet you're ok with oFollow that makes movement decisions. Your rationale is that /follow used to have that functionality so it is ok now, willfully disregarding that Blizzard removed that functionality. I assume that you'd be ok with a program that allowed decursing to work the way it did with addons in Vanilla, even though Blizzard explicitly removed the functionality because it made healing too easy.

The reality is this is a botting program, and I'd be surprised if you're not caught relatively soon. I actually hope you do. You can BG very effectively without /follow, but if you want to do something that is clearly cheating, then I have no respect for any of your "accomplishments" in WoW.

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Originally Posted by Peri Helion

Has anyone tried asking Blizzard?

I see from the various Follow threads there are members of this community that have contacted Blizzard directly in the past to determine if what they were doing were acceptable. I appreciate Ron taking one for the team and giving it a try, but even if he never gets banned it isnt conclusive.

I also see this degenerating into a marketing war (not on these pages though) as people with a vested economic interest in either elevating their own product or denegrating the author of their competitors software begin to make this personal and use a lot of adjectives and invective without any definitive statements from a clear and unbiased party.

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Blizzard very rarely "approves" something, and often you don't know until bans start coming out. If you want to ask Blizzard "is it ok to have another program read the binary so that my slaves will move on their own?" then go ahead - waste of time for something that is clearly against the rules.

There is no marketing war here, unless you're suggesting that others are trying to market their botting program over oFollow. This isn't a ISBoxer vs Keyclone vs HKN vs PwnBoxer debate - this is a debate whether a gimped botting program is ok because it simulates functionality that existed in the past.

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

I ask because your comments imply that those who avoid oFollow are just being overly paranoid and goody two-shoes. In reality, if oFollow works as others have described, then it's simply a gimped botting program. I asked if you were ok with honor botting and your response makes very little sense - you're not ok with it because those programs because they make all decisions, yet you're ok with oFollow that makes movement decisions. Your rationale is that /follow used to have that functionality so it is ok now, willfully disregarding that Blizzard removed that functionality. I assume that you'd be ok with a program that allowed decursing to work the way it did with addons in Vanilla, even though Blizzard explicitly removed the functionality because it made healing too easy.

The reality is this is a botting program, and I'd be surprised if you're not caught relatively soon. I actually hope you do. You can BG very effectively without /follow, but if you want to do something that is clearly cheating, then I have no respect for any of your "accomplishments" in WoW.

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"Accomplishments"?. Sorry, but my accomplishments in life, are not derived from a fictitious virtual world in which I participate for the sole sake of my own enjoyment.

Thanks for describing my own post to me though, just incase I didn't understand what I wrote when I wrote it.

If anyone doesn't want to use oFollow. THEN DON'T! I wasn't saying that not using it makes you a goody two-shoes, I was saying that its an untested resolution to our current situation that might have negative effects from its use. SO YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES, MUCH LIKE SPEEDING ON THE HIGHWAY.

But thanks for trying to make wild tangents about the subject, and making subtle attacks on me.

I'm also confused why you are attacking my opinion. That is my opinion, if that is how I feel, and you feel differently then congratulations. Your not going to change my opinion on the subject. You also don't see my trying to persuade people to have the same mentality as myself.

I merely stated that the Program works as it is intended. Regardless of the possible negative effects it may also have.

I am not sure why I even replied to your inquirey about the botting program. It has nothing to do with whether oFollow accomplishes a mimic of /follow effectively or not. Which was the subject of my original reply, that it does indeed accomplish it effectively, regardless of the possible "legality" issues.

If anyone wants to try and use it, you can find help in the wow.publicvent on configuration and useful macros.

But use it at your own risk.

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Originally Posted by Ronburgundy

All I can say is that I have used oFollow, and it works great. Yet, if you are the kind who doesn't speed on the highway, I would heed the warning on the site.

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There are gradations of speeding on the highway. If you are allowed to do 120km/h and follow the traffic that is doing 130km/h on a bright weekend day, then you can't compare that with a joker doing 200km/h who comes back at 5 am from the pub. There is a clear difference there, just like there is a clear difference between using an available feature that might be not intended and clear automation.

The inhabitants of this thread obviously don't want to discuss oFollow, and would rather nit pick at posts because they were not written word for word how they would have written them.

Did you really take my "speeding on the highway" metaphor literally? How dense are you people? It was a metaphor to make a point. There are inherited risks that you must accept if you take part in both activities, using oFollow, and Speeding on the Highway. Holy crap.

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Originally Posted by zenga

...just like there is a clear difference between using an available feature that might be not intended and clear automation.

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Well, it doesn't seem that blizz is going to distinguish between the two. The way I see it is if we box in bg's they are going to try and stop it, regardless of how.

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

There is no marketing war here,

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Correct, I said not here

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Originally Posted by Peri Helion

I also see this degenerating into a marketing war (not on these pages though)

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emphasis added

Like many who read this thread I look at lots of different sites and even though this thread has stayed pretty focused on the product and facts other sites seem to be making a point of attacking the author and attaching labels and names to the product and author, rather than discussing facts.

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

Blizzard very rarely "approves" something, and often you don't know until bans start coming out. If you want to ask Blizzard "is it ok to have another program read the binary so that my slaves will move on their own?" then go ahead - waste of time for something that is clearly against the rules

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I hear what you are saying, and surely if you formed the question like that you would get blank stares, but perhaps something like ....

"Is an addon that restores /follow functionality to BGs prohibited?"

.... wouldn't be a waste of breath? Or at least save future wasted breath put into speculation on this thread, or any others like it when another solution is proposed?

(Also, I assumed that since some people early in the original /follow thread alluded to direct communication to Blizzard some in this community had better credibility/recognition and therefore access to Blizzard, but I could certainly be wrong).

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Originally Posted by Peri Helion

I hear what you are saying, and surely if you formed the question like that you would get blank stares, but perhaps something like ....

"Is an addon that restores /follow functionality to BGs prohibited?"

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That's not an accurate description. oFollow is not just an addon, but a combination of an external program and an addon. If it was simply an addon that used LUA code, I don't think you'd have anyone opposed. If it was just LUA code then you may have people saying Blizzard will remove the functionality in the future, but you wouldn't be accused of cheating (I am making that accusation of the users who use oFollow).

Now that it seems like the community has a decent understanding of oFollow, and that it does use an external program to interact with WoW and move toons accordingly, I support the "ban discussion of the product" bandwagon. It's a botting program - just not a very functional one.

BTW, the other site has a similar conclusion - Tim has stated that he believes it to be a botting program and it should not be used.

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Originally Posted by Ronburgundy

"Accomplishments"?. Sorry, but my accomplishments in life, are not derived from a fictitious virtual world in which I participate for the sole sake of my own enjoyment.

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I dont care about ofollow, follow in random bgs or even random bgs. I just quoted this statement because I could not agree with it more.

You guys that like random bgs might want to pay attention to the ptr. Role checks and the end of oqueue in randoms.

Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@Wiredmana Agreed, Premades ruin unrated battlegrounds. Working on making it difficult to do. Sad a cool addon like oQueue does this


Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@CuddlyKittyHugs @Wiredmana I've said a few times, the only part of oQueue I don't like is circumventing premade restrictions

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Originally Posted by Fat Tire

I dont care about ofollow, follow in random bgs or even random bgs. I just quoted this statement because I could not agree with it more.

You guys that like random bgs might want to pay attention to the ptr. Role checks and the end of oqueue in randoms.

Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@Wiredmana Agreed, Premades ruin unrated battlegrounds. Working on making it difficult to do. Sad a cool addon like oQueue does this


Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@CuddlyKittyHugs @Wiredmana I've said a few times, the only part of oQueue I don't like is circumventing premade restrictions

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Yes, yes, we've been through this "accomplishments" debate before, which is the whole reason I put it in parentheses. Next time I'll put it in italics and pink font to help clear confusion.

It's premature to call the end of oQueue. Hopefully it's just the end of greater than 5 man random BG premades. Blizzard doesn't care about an addon that helps you find 4 players to play with cross servers, they care about bringing more than 5 in a coordinated fashion.

But you already knew all this stuff, and it doesn't belong in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Peri Helion

I hear what you are saying, and surely if you formed the question like that you would get blank stares, but perhaps something like ....

"Is an addon that restores /follow functionality to BGs prohibited?"

.... wouldn't be a waste of breath? Or at least save future wasted breath put into speculation on this thread, or any others like it when another solution is proposed?

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

That's not an accurate description. oFollow is not just an addon, but a combination of an external program and an addon. If it was simply an addon that used LUA code, I don't think you'd have anyone opposed. If it was just LUA code then you may have people saying Blizzard will remove the functionality in the future, but you wouldn't be accused of cheating (I am making that accusation of the users who use oFollow).

Now that it seems like the community has a decent understanding of oFollow, and that it does use an external program to interact with WoW and move toons accordingly, I support the "ban discussion of the product" bandwagon. It's a botting program - just not a very functional one.

BTW, the other site has a similar conclusion - Tim has stated that he believes it to be a botting program and it should not be used.

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Owltoid – Note the bolded part of my quote that you left off, and the bolded itallicized part for emphasis.

My question is NOT just about oFollow, but about the NEXT solution that comes along as well.

The fact remains nobody has even made an attempt to see if a generic question about efforts to restore a /follow function would be deemed a violation. Sure any inquiry is likely to get no response, but for the amount of effort put into this thread it would take less effort to make an inquiry - and as I said above there are people on this site with a better reputation/credibility who could make an inquiry with a higher probability of getting a response.

So you want someone to ask a general question of if a macro/method can replicate follow if it would be allowed? And you think Blizzard would answer that general of a question, when they rarely opine on specific questions? Otherwise, what specifically would you like to see happen or what specific question would you like asked? I can guarantee you that even if they did answer, a program that reads the binary would still not be legit.

We currently have a follow method that works very well for melee boxers in mountable areas - use IWT with a multi person mount. I doubt Blizzard will come out and say whether they support the method - they will instead issue suspensions/bans for misusing game mechanics, remove/modify the mechanic to make it no longer useable, or just keep quiet while we continue to use it. This open dialog doesn't really exist, even for Lax or Rob or Tim.

ETA: others have asked general questions about simulating follow and others have also asked if multi person mounts with IWT is legit. To my knowledge Blizzard has been silent.

I'm in a glass case of emotion!

From Blizz Chat (I changed the CS Name to Blizz Customer Support since I wasn't sure about this sites rules on posting blizz communications)

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Blizz Customer Support
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Hello there, I'm Blizz Customer Support with Blizzard Customer Support and I'm looking over your request now. How are you doing today?

Peri Helion
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I am well. I am looking to reactivate my account and begin multiboxing, but want to make sure this is still allowed before spending the money

Blizz Customer Support
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Multiboxing has never been against the rules.

Peri Helion
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I know /follow was removed from Battlegrounds, I just wanted to make sure

Blizz Customer Support
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Yes /follow was removed but multiboxing hasn't been outlawed Peri Helion

Peri Helion
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Great – if there was an addon that allows the follow function in Battlegrounds, would that be allowed?

Blizz Customer Support
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That I won't speak to as I am not familar with that addon and I cannot guarantee using it will make you safe.

Blizz Customer Support
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My guess is the developers will disable that addon though.

Peri Helion
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ahh - understood - thank! I will not use it then

Blizz Customer Support
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It was removed for many reasons to ensure that players were all participating in Battlegrounds.

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So - less time than it takes to make a post, somewhat of an answer. Is it definitive? Nope. Is it indicative of what the CSRs are being trained to say, and therefore a factual insight into Blizzards potential stance on ANY attempt to bring /follow back into Battlegrounds? Each can read for themselves and decide.

If you found value in that interaction with the CSR, then I'm glad for you. I did not.

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

If you found value in that interaction with the CSR, then I'm glad for you. I did not.

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As I said

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

Each can read for themselves and decide.

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So your opinion is your prerogative.

Perhaps you should re-read Mirai's post on what the purpose of this site and thread is, and then determine what you can best do with your next post to better inform the community on this subject.

I must confess given the probity and reasoning demonstrated in your previous posts and threads over the months I have been reading this site your tone and demeanor in this thread are baffling.

We both agree oFollow is most likely something that will result in a ban, I just put forth a little more effort to attempt to get further information rather than just rely on opinions. In deference to your seniority I will not post again on is topic and allow you to have the last word with your inevitable rebuttal (I just hope you don't misquote me for the 4th time today :) )

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

That's not an accurate description. oFollow is not just an addon, but a combination of an external program and an addon. If it was simply an addon that used LUA code, I don't think you'd have anyone opposed.

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I agree, if the program is reading information from the game, and then acting upon it... it is something most of us should avoid, assuming we care about retaining our accounts.

But I wanted to point out, just because it is a program + an addon, doesn't make it automatically bad.

IS Boxer is both a program (which you pay for) and it generates wow macros/FTL/etc via its' addon.
Without the program running, your IS Boxer addon won't be much good.

Still, IS Boxer doesn't read anything from the game, and it sounds like oFollow does.
IS Boxer has no way of knowing if a spell fired off or not, if it was resisted or not, if your toons are in follow range when you issue the follow command, etc.

If oFollow reads anything from the game, that's too close to prohibited actions for me.

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Originally Posted by Peri Helion

In deference to your seniority I will not post again on is topic and allow you to have the last word with your inevitable rebuttal (I just hope you don't misquote me for the 4th time today :) )

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I think that's pretty funny given that you actually misquote me in that post (hint: you said "Each can read for themselves and decide," not me). Don't worry about the seniority, there are a few curmudgeon posters on this site and I am joining their club.

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

But I wanted to point out, just because it is a program + an addon, doesn't make it automatically bad.

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Good point and good example using ISBoxer.

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Originally Posted by Fat Tire

I dont care about ofollow, follow in random bgs or even random bgs. I just quoted this statement because I could not agree with it more.

You guys that like random bgs might want to pay attention to the ptr. Role checks and the end of oqueue in randoms.

Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@Wiredmana Agreed, Premades ruin unrated battlegrounds. Working on making it difficult to do. Sad a cool addon like oQueue does this


Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@CuddlyKittyHugs @Wiredmana I've said a few times, the only part of oQueue I don't like is circumventing premade restrictions

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Oqueue doesn't circumvent premade restrictions as far as I know. You can queue up with a group of 5 players for random bg's, and oqueue doesn't circumvent that restriction. All it does is making it easier to find people to queue up together: it saves you from spamming forums, raidfinder, trade etc ... to find a team.

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Originally Posted by zenga

Oqueue doesn't circumvent premade restrictions as far as I know. You can queue up with a group of 5 players for random bg's, and oqueue doesn't circumvent that restriction. All it does is making it easier to find people to queue up together: it saves you from spamming forums, raidfinder, trade etc ... to find a team.

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No idea, as I dont use it. Obviously blizzard has more information than I do since they believe its an issue. I was just linking the tweets from the newly acquired senior pvp developer who has been around for roughly 2 months or so and letting people know about the role check for random bgs on the ptr.

this is bad ethos for dual-boxing.com, this ofollow subject and especially any form of marketing needs to be removed.

lock or remove/edit this thread please.

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Originally Posted by boxblizzardd

this is bad ethos for dual-boxing.com, this ofollow subject and especially any form of marketing needs to be removed.

lock or remove/edit this thread please.

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http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/4...l=1#post379502

Please re-read the thread. The information in this thread is extremely valuable to the multiboxing community - especially those that may be considering using oFollow.