oFollow Discussion

[Ronburgundy]

Do you have the same feelings about bots to get you honor?

No.

Regardless of whatever method I want to use, or you want to use, to get my toons from point A to point B, when my toons get there I am in control of the combat functions, I decide who to attack, and how to attack them. A honor bot, (assuming one that doesn't just stand in place and jump), makes all of its decisions without any real time human interaction.

I am not going to get into it with anyone on the technical intricacies of how oFollow works, I rest my head on the pure fact that when I look behind my main, my slaves are right behind me, or they are stuck on a mailbox, or a fence post, and it functions the same, if not alittle worse than /follow used to. If oFollow gave the player some new kind of miraculous new ability that /follow didn't I would feel differently, but it doesn't it just does what we used to do with /follow, regardless of how it does it thats what its doing.

[Owltoid]

No.

Regardless of whatever method I want to use, or you want to use, to get my toons from point A to point B, when my toons get there I am in control of the combat functions, I decide who to attack, and how to attack them. A honor bot, (assuming one that doesn't just stand in place and jump), makes all of its decisions without any real time human interaction.

I am not going to get into it with anyone on the technical intricacies of how oFollow works, I rest my head on the pure fact that when I look behind my main, my slaves are right behind me, or they are stuck on a mailbox, or a fence post, and it functions the same, if not alittle worse than /follow used to. If oFollow gave the player some new kind of miraculous new ability that /follow didn't I would feel differently, but it doesn't it just does what we used to do with /follow, regardless of how it does it thats what its doing.

I ask because your comments imply that those who avoid oFollow are just being overly paranoid and goody two-shoes. In reality, if oFollow works as others have described, then it's simply a gimped botting program. I asked if you were ok with honor botting and your response makes very little sense - you're not ok with it because those programs because they make all decisions, yet you're ok with oFollow that makes movement decisions. Your rationale is that /follow used to have that functionality so it is ok now, willfully disregarding that Blizzard removed that functionality. I assume that you'd be ok with a program that allowed decursing to work the way it did with addons in Vanilla, even though Blizzard explicitly removed the functionality because it made healing too easy.

The reality is this is a botting program, and I'd be surprised if you're not caught relatively soon. I actually hope you do. You can BG very effectively without /follow, but if you want to do something that is clearly cheating, then I have no respect for any of your "accomplishments" in WoW.

[Ronburgundy]

I ask because your comments imply that those who avoid oFollow are just being overly paranoid and goody two-shoes. In reality, if oFollow works as others have described, then it's simply a gimped botting program. I asked if you were ok with honor botting and your response makes very little sense - you're not ok with it because those programs because they make all decisions, yet you're ok with oFollow that makes movement decisions. Your rationale is that /follow used to have that functionality so it is ok now, willfully disregarding that Blizzard removed that functionality. I assume that you'd be ok with a program that allowed decursing to work the way it did with addons in Vanilla, even though Blizzard explicitly removed the functionality because it made healing too easy.

The reality is this is a botting program, and I'd be surprised if you're not caught relatively soon. I actually hope you do. You can BG very effectively without /follow, but if you want to do something that is clearly cheating, then I have no respect for any of your "accomplishments" in WoW.

"Accomplishments"?. Sorry, but my accomplishments in life, are not derived from a fictitious virtual world in which I participate for the sole sake of my own enjoyment.

Thanks for describing my own post to me though, just incase I didn't understand what I wrote when I wrote it.

If anyone doesn't want to use oFollow. THEN DON'T! I wasn't saying that not using it makes you a goody two-shoes, I was saying that its an untested resolution to our current situation that might have negative effects from its use. SO YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES, MUCH LIKE SPEEDING ON THE HIGHWAY.

But thanks for trying to make wild tangents about the subject, and making subtle attacks on me.

I'm also confused why you are attacking my opinion. That is my opinion, if that is how I feel, and you feel differently then congratulations. Your not going to change my opinion on the subject. You also don't see my trying to persuade people to have the same mentality as myself.

I merely stated that the Program works as it is intended. Regardless of the possible negative effects it may also have.

I am not sure why I even replied to your inquirey about the botting program. It has nothing to do with whether oFollow accomplishes a mimic of /follow effectively or not. Which was the subject of my original reply, that it does indeed accomplish it effectively, regardless of the possible "legality" issues.

If anyone wants to try and use it, you can find help in the wow.publicvent on configuration and useful macros.

But use it at your own risk.

[Fat Tire]

"Accomplishments"?. Sorry, but my accomplishments in life, are not derived from a fictitious virtual world in which I participate for the sole sake of my own enjoyment.

I dont care about ofollow, follow in random bgs or even random bgs. I just quoted this statement because I could not agree with it more.

You guys that like random bgs might want to pay attention to the ptr. Role checks and the end of oqueue in randoms.

Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@Wiredmana Agreed, Premades ruin unrated battlegrounds. Working on making it difficult to do. Sad a cool addon like oQueue does this


Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@CuddlyKittyHugs @Wiredmana I've said a few times, the only part of oQueue I don't like is circumventing premade restrictions

[Owltoid]

I dont care about ofollow, follow in random bgs or even random bgs. I just quoted this statement because I could not agree with it more.

You guys that like random bgs might want to pay attention to the ptr. Role checks and the end of oqueue in randoms.

Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@Wiredmana Agreed, Premades ruin unrated battlegrounds. Working on making it difficult to do. Sad a cool addon like oQueue does this


Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@CuddlyKittyHugs @Wiredmana I've said a few times, the only part of oQueue I don't like is circumventing premade restrictions

Yes, yes, we've been through this "accomplishments" debate before, which is the whole reason I put it in parentheses. Next time I'll put it in italics and pink font to help clear confusion.

It's premature to call the end of oQueue. Hopefully it's just the end of greater than 5 man random BG premades. Blizzard doesn't care about an addon that helps you find 4 players to play with cross servers, they care about bringing more than 5 in a coordinated fashion.

But you already knew all this stuff, and it doesn't belong in this thread.

[zenga]

I dont care about ofollow, follow in random bgs or even random bgs. I just quoted this statement because I could not agree with it more.

You guys that like random bgs might want to pay attention to the ptr. Role checks and the end of oqueue in randoms.

Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@Wiredmana Agreed, Premades ruin unrated battlegrounds. Working on making it difficult to do. Sad a cool addon like oQueue does this


Holinka ‏@holinka30 Mar
@CuddlyKittyHugs @Wiredmana I've said a few times, the only part of oQueue I don't like is circumventing premade restrictions

Oqueue doesn't circumvent premade restrictions as far as I know. You can queue up with a group of 5 players for random bg's, and oqueue doesn't circumvent that restriction. All it does is making it easier to find people to queue up together: it saves you from spamming forums, raidfinder, trade etc ... to find a team.

[Fat Tire]

Oqueue doesn't circumvent premade restrictions as far as I know. You can queue up with a group of 5 players for random bg's, and oqueue doesn't circumvent that restriction. All it does is making it easier to find people to queue up together: it saves you from spamming forums, raidfinder, trade etc ... to find a team.

No idea, as I dont use it. Obviously blizzard has more information than I do since they believe its an issue. I was just linking the tweets from the newly acquired senior pvp developer who has been around for roughly 2 months or so and letting people know about the role check for random bgs on the ptr.