I know I can do USB filtering for different VMs. Is there SW that will do USB filtering to different applications running in the same windows? For example having separate USB number pads filtered to each WoW instance running?
I know I can do USB filtering for different VMs. Is there SW that will do USB filtering to different applications running in the same windows? For example having separate USB number pads filtered to each WoW instance running?
I don't know of such a tool, been looking myself.
One utility I do think is needed here is FancyZones. It let's you set up a tiling approach that you can reuse. https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-to...window-manager
On the spreadsheet we have listed all the Utilities seen being discussed in the Discord and the Forums:Originally Posted by jak3676
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1566844114
FancyZones was already on the spreadsheet but is "still in a pre-release state" and has not tested as well as some of the other options but "your mileage may vary".
There are multiple other tools that have been better in testing and so far the consensus has been that generally best windows layout tool has been 'ShiftWindow' (which is hi-lighted in bright green because it is in the lead so far).
Note that be default all the WoW windows are named the same when launched. One helpful tool that can be used with multiple Windows Mangement Softwares is the Utility "GUIPropView" which is a tool to display info/properties on all windows open and can modify window names. I quickly opened 5 wow clients and with GUIPropView I appended a 1 through 5 on each window. With the numbers on the end ShiftWindow can put them on the screen where I wanted them (save the profile with the window names and run the profile each time you start a gaming session). You can do all this before you login to WoW and neither tool needs to be running while you are logged in.
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"1 input causing only 1 action in only 1 client" While I'm fond of this wording myself, Blizzard has never actually stated this is their new policy. That is our interpretation of their intent - and we don't all share that interpretation. So on one hand I agree with you, but we can't state that as a hard fact unless/until Blizzard clarifies their new rule.
@nodoze On the previous page we were discussing different ideas for keyboards and how they could be cobbled together to send multiple outputs based on 1 button press. You seemed to take offense to the idea of connecting the electrical wiring of the switches together to create a broadcast keyboard, but you're OK with the idea of connecting the physical switches together. I'm honestly not following your logic on why you think electrical connections are bad, but physical connections are OK. Can you elaborate?
For Shift Window, how do set multiple wow windows separately? I set up 5 different rules to grab my 5 wow windows, but it only resized my 1st window 5 times (which makes sense - each window is named the exact same thing).
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I have been looking at building 4 standalone bare bones PCs to run their own clients.
To keep costs down I am looking at an i3 core, 4gb ram and a 2gb GPU to meet the minimum requirements.
But there is a step drop-off in $$ from 2GB to 1GB GPUs. Do you think a 1GB GPU is enough if the machine is only running WoW on minimum settings and nothing else?
I would not recommend going below an Nvida GT1030, but I also run at 1920x1080 on my followers (4k on my main). Maybe you can get away with less at lower resolution? But I'd also go with 8GB RAM and an i5, so maybe my expectations are too high. If you're going below a 1030, then I'd be looking at CPU with integrated graphics - AMD APU's. Bottom of this thread a few of discussed what we're looking for hardware. https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...tiboxing/page2
But for hardware help, we'd need to know retail or classic, and what resolution you're looking for.
World of Warcraft: Shadowlands System Requirements
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/256565
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Some Blizz reps have indeed been very clear on that things need to be 1-1-1 (here is an: example). I agree that overall Blizz hasn't been clear nor consistent.
Offense is too strong of a word as I am a fan of all the great ideas and documentation/details people have been giving/sharing (especially you). I do get concerned on approaches which are abusable (like via things like automation or multicasting) because I believe that abuses will help bring more enforcement from Blizz and possibly clarifications or restrictions that we can't live with so I do speak out against those exposures to try to protect the community... We don't know which straw will be the one that breaks the camel's back...
It has been many decades since I studied EE so I apologize if I confused or overemphasized hardware vs electrical connections as that was not my intent... My main point was that I would design the multi-connection keyboard to be where it is not-abusable by design and that would be enforced as the hardware level only allowed each key to be configured to connect to only out USB output at a time. Basically every key on the "FrankenBoard5(TM)" would have the potential to connect to any of the 5 USB clients, but ONLY 1 at a time via something like this Rotary Switch (at least conceptually). Conceptually you could envision a keyboard that looks like something like this on the top but has 5 USB connectors on the side/top and if you flip it over it has 48 little Rotary Switches with "little clockfaces" showing 1-5 on them that you adjust per key with a little screw driver. Conceptually the little switches could look something like this picture for every key (except it would be 1-5 instead of 1-4)... That would give you a very flexible keypad for controlling upto 5 PC/VMs but not supporting multi-casting of any single key to more than 1 target... That would be enforced at the hardware level...
If you had any firmware on the keyboard you could make it all encrypted (like Samsung bootloaders and Knox) and include a Trusted Platform Module (TPM) that WoW clients could check to verify the inputs were from a trusted source...
Regarding ShiftWindow being able to IDing windows separately you need to use a utility/tool like GUIPropView to change the title/name of the window before running ShiftWindow Rule Set. Just launch the 5 windows, append a 1-5 on the end of the window name/title with GUIPropView (or another tool), then run your 5 step ShiftWindo ruleset. Links for the GUIPropView tool and many other utitlies are on the spreadsheet. If you want a very elegant windows management and client launcher you may want to check out the Fuiiboxing tab.
Sorry if the above doesn't make sense. Very busy and in a hurry and working with too much coffee and too little sleep...
Last edited by nodoze : 11-12-2020 at 05:25 AM
long as hardware broadcasting is acceptable, we can bounce back. Tab boxing is just awful and no good in fast paced scenarios and even if you can make it work by a thread...it’s not viable long term as it is more work than it has to be.
the truth is, boxing the old days was expensive, I used to 5 box on a desktop back in 2008 and it cost £3000 to have something that was decent enough.
it’s a full circle, we need to use hardware casting gear and budget amd nucs etc
i think all the modern casting software has made boxing so easy and I expensive, it’s been a easy ride for everyone to jump on board.
Time to get our wallets out, and adapt to the policies with hardware.
we will be back in action soon when we all compile a recommended list of hardware for reboot
What I worry the most about is bots, they will grow and become a bigger problem for us as we all
get slammed for being a bot using software, living a life of temp bans.
lets hope blizzard identify genuine boxers and treat us fairly and investigate in person rather than the ban hammer drom
the automated system.
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I don't actually see there being a good reason to run multiple desktop PC's anymore. For people that want to look at hardware broadcasting for better performance, I think the better option is to feed that input back into a single PC with virtualization. Sure you could feed that back into multiple PC's, but I don't see any benefit of doing it that way (outside of some edge cases where someone has 5 PCs already, so they don't want to pay for virtualization).
I started down the multiple-PCs road myself last week - hooked up the KM synchronizer to my desktop and 2 laptops for testing. It mostly works fine - I just couldn't get my Razer keypad to work with it (which won't be an issue for most people). I had cannibalized another older desktop some years ago, so I ordered parts for that and I was shopping for a 5th PC. Then I started looking at a better monitor setup...
In that time I started seeing what some others were doing with focus-follows-mouse and remapped keys for alt-tabbing. I think the performance there will be fine for 5-boxing- arguably better in some scenarios. I can program keys on my keypad to switch the current window of focus to which ever window I need, then to send a single keypress to that window - that all happens with just 1 keypress. So then you program multiple keys that you have multiple sets of those keys for each client. In combat you can send commands as quickly as you can roll your fingers across those keys. I need to do some more testing, but I think you can basically just mash all 4 or 5 keys at one time and each keystroke still goes where it needs to. Because I'm grouping my attacks onto multiple keys, I can't keymap everything like I used to, but I think I can get the 3 or 4 most hit buttons to all have their own group. For non-combat actions like drinking, mounting, etc (stuff where timing isn't critical), I'll handle those with a mouseover-focus.
These sorts of rapidly switching focus options seem to be the best footing for whatever blizzard decides to do in the future also - if they say, "no broadcasting by any means", I'll already be compliant.
More testing is needed to see how well this all actually performs in game - I've just done some very basic testing with multiple windows and notepad, etc - all seems very promising. The part that's kicking my butt right now is getting my screen layout optimized - but its slowly coming together.
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