Feeling uncertain

[kate]

I really don't think it's fair. A 10 boxer can empty every node they come across - I really don't blame other players for getting annoyed.

I just rerolled on a lower pop realm because my old realm was swarming with 10 box Druids. I can make more gold on my new server because prices haven't been driven into the dirt.

Boxing should never impact on others in a negative way IMHO.

I don't know if "fairness" is really the issue in a game where 1 person with TSM and bank alts can completely dominate large parts of the AH and cause more problems for more people than 10 druids draining nodes. AH Barons are FAR more widespread (every server has a bunch of them!) than multiboxers - the problem is the way the games economy is set up and the fact that middlemen are able to insert themselves and drive up prices for everyone.

I agree that boxers should seek to have the least negative impact on others that they can, because I'm not a jerk, but again - I don't think it really matters, in comparison to AH barons, if some people farm as a wildly inefficient way to make gold.

I do wish Blizz had more specificity in some of their rules

Ha, no. They're vague because people are really good at coming up with ways to cheat. Gamers are like children trying to test the limits with with rules lawyering equivalent to "I'm not touching you!" and it wouldn't matter how specific Blizzard gets.

I've boxed for an embarrassingly long time, across multiple games, and with varying degrees of disruption to other players, and I've literally never once been banned for anything remotely related to multiboxing (I *did* get a forced name change and an 8 hour ban for using an auto-generated name that turned out to be an obfuscated slur though, which was funny). To me, that means that the people getting banned, or reaaaaaallly needing clarification of the rules because they're worried about violating them, know damn well they're walking on the edge and are looking for cover.

[jak3676]

Fair points - I'll restate. I wish Blizz would more quickly clarify specific interpretations or applications of their rules when they make them. I'm fine with the rule being being necessarily broad.

It took weeks for Blizz to clarify that killing off the world buff NPCs by using a priest from the other faction to MC them didn't count as either an exploit or as unallowed cross-faction collaboration (which is apparently only applicable to win trading). Until they made that post there were significant parts of the population calling for those doing it to be banned.

I still don't know Blizz's actual position on stand-still farming. They seem to do a semi-decent job fixing any locations where people figure out a spot to do it, but I think a blue post saying don't do it - we consider that against ToS would go a long way.

Also see my above post about squabbling over world bosses. There were a number of people who received a 24-hour ban, and its not clear why. Some said they got theirs overturned, some did not - but its unclear if that's because the initial ban was a mistake, or something else. At this point its a few weeks past so it's already OBE, but still puzzling.

[pak]

Just recently got into multi boxing, but I decided against using any outside software. Its just not worth the risk to me. Right now I just alt tab, which is annoying, but works. I'd love to just control my 2nd character from one screen. But at the end of the day, I only multi box to cut down on my time doing dailies. So my tabd character is pretty much a trailer.


I know its wishful thinking, but I wish blizz would just work with these companies who make the software. It would increase costs. But lets be honest, whos trying to save money here with 10+accts

[Jabberie]

I still don't know Blizz's actual position on stand-still farming. They seem to do a semi-decent job fixing any locations where people figure out a spot to do it, but I think a blue post saying don't do it - we consider that against ToS would go a long way.

People are not getting suspended/banned for stand still farming, Ridosaw is the most obvious example of someone on a massive scale publically doing it and not running into any bother.


People are getting suspended/banned for pushing those limits like Kate mentioned.

And all this talk is, is scaremonging for new comers to the game/multiboxing. The post above is case in point.

[cerruption]

People are not getting suspended/banned for stand still farming, Ridosaw is the most obvious example of someone on a massive scale publically doing it and not running into any bother. <br>
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People are getting suspended/banned for pushing those limits like Kate mentioned. <br>
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And all this talk is, is scaremonging for new comers to the game/multiboxing. The post above is case in point.

Sorry but to me this seems like a contradiction. What "limits" should we not be pushing? Are you talking limits in stand still farming, no farming certain spots, not farming for a certain amount of time, not farming if there is a WQ active, what is it? What does "dont be an a-hole" mean? I know there are youtubers and streamers that show off these stand still farms for primals, volatiles, xmog, mounts, so to me if people are quietly getting banned it's even worse letting big names do it on stream but then quietly banning a "nobody" for doing the same thing.

If they banned a streamer/youtuber for afk farming it would spark a huge debate on the forums about what is different between multiboxing vs. 2x4 farming, suddenly non-multiboxers playstyles would be threatened as well, it would be a massive, massive mess for Blizzard. So the fact that certain streamers merely exist is NOT evidence that this playstyle is accepted by Blizzard.<br><br>If there are certain laws or absolutes we're not allowed to break, I sure wish I knew them. For example I like farming pets and transmog, am I breaking some imaginary rule? I really, really don't know, that is what people are upset about.&nbsp;And when reports trickle in that someone got banned, for me at least, its even worse. What if 20 people were banned for the same thing on the same day? You would never know, would you?

And if that's the reality that we live in, where it's possible to be banned for rules we're not allowed to know, then new people should know that too. Because it's innocent enough to watch someone on youtube show you how to park toons and farm transmog/primals fast, but nobody would do that if they knew they could get banned for it

This is exactly why we moderate the heck out of these threads because it's 100% impossible for us to know what Blizzard is thinking until they tell us. For me, it all comes back to the "Don't be an asshole" philosophy. It doesn't matter if you're running 1 account or 500: Don't be an asshole.

To be honest, if 20 people rushed to the forums claiming they were banned for a certain reason *cough HKN a few weeks ago* then it would be an early warning to others who maybe hadn't logged on that day, that, for some unknown reason, MANY veteran accounts are reporting bans on the same day for ______ reason. I'm sure one could draw some parallels from that.

The same could be said now or in the future for afk farms. It's gotta be a matter of when, not if, that they just keep banning people 1 by 1 for overfarming an area. What prompts it, is it 10 randoms reporting them, is it a GM spying, is it just bad luck on a bad day?

Sorry if this came out aggressive, I do understand why you keep things a certain way. I do feel "Uncertain" on the rules of the game though and I had to get it out there. For now with this uncertainty, I try to "play the game" as good a boxer as I can - world quests for emissaries, gathering, playing the AH. No more stand still farms because I simply don't know.

[Jabberie]

If you're actively playing your characters, like literally looking at them, you're not getting suspended for this shit. youtubers/streamers are not getting suspended live because they are doing just that, playing the game. A shit way the play the game but still playing the game none the less.

There are "laws". Don't bot.

How many people slowly graduate from carple tunnel smaking the keyboard to a hold macro on their mouse to a full on toggle macro to his their favourite one button keybind to then putting their netflix above wow?

As for the HKN thing, the reason you don't hear about them anymore is because that got overturned as a mistake. . . Sure there was outrage at the start but I know loads that had their ban overturned. Some without even making an appeal.

Again, they don't suspend/ban people for stand still farms, they nerf the locations down into the ground most of the time to make them worthless. GM spy on you all the time, if you've managed to piss enough people off to get you reported. At which point you're put under a microscope pretty much.

So unless you're doing bad shit, you've nothing to worry about. I've played the game since 2007 and have never felt in any danger at all with how I play it.

Sorry but to me this seems like a contradiction. What "limits" should we not be pushing? Are you talking limits in stand still farming, no farming certain spots, not farming for a certain amount of time, not farming if there is a WQ active, what is it? What does "dont be an a-hole" mean? I know there are youtubers and streamers that show off these stand still farms for primals, volatiles, xmog, mounts, so to me if people are quietly getting banned it's even worse letting big names do it on stream but then quietly banning a "nobody" for doing the same thing.

If they banned a streamer/youtuber for afk farming it would spark a huge debate on the forums about what is different between multiboxing vs. 2x4 farming, suddenly non-multiboxers playstyles would be threatened as well, it would be a massive, massive mess for Blizzard. So the fact that certain streamers merely exist is NOT evidence that this playstyle is accepted by Blizzard.<br><br>If there are certain laws or absolutes we're not allowed to break, I sure wish I knew them. For example I like farming pets and transmog, am I breaking some imaginary rule? I really, really don't know, that is what people are upset about.&nbsp;And when reports trickle in that someone got banned, for me at least, its even worse. What if 20 people were banned for the same thing on the same day? You would never know, would you?

And if that's the reality that we live in, where it's possible to be banned for rules we're not allowed to know, then new people should know that too. Because it's innocent enough to watch someone on youtube show you how to park toons and farm transmog/primals fast, but nobody would do that if they knew they could get banned for it



To be honest, if 20 people rushed to the forums claiming they were banned for a certain reason *cough HKN a few weeks ago* then it would be an early warning to others who maybe hadn't logged on that day, that, for some unknown reason, MANY veteran accounts are reporting bans on the same day for ______ reason. I'm sure one could draw some parallels from that.

The same could be said now or in the future for afk farms. It's gotta be a matter of when, not if, that they just keep banning people 1 by 1 for overfarming an area. What prompts it, is it 10 randoms reporting them, is it a GM spying, is it just bad luck on a bad day?

Sorry if this came out aggressive, I do understand why you keep things a certain way. I do feel "Uncertain" on the rules of the game though and I had to get it out there. For now with this uncertainty, I try to "play the game" as good a boxer as I can - world quests for emissaries, gathering, playing the AH. No more stand still farms because I simply don't know.

[Diwa]

That's the problem when the face of WoW content that has 40K average livestream viewers started this notion that when he checks the area or dungeon through /who. Any high level characters who don't have a guild are automatically botters especially if the names are similar. Which is a problem in our end since we can't invite and create guilds due to Bnet account limitations. Plus we don't really care if our other toons don't have a guild and only our main has it. Imagine hundreds of his minions reporting you.

Check 10:31

[Jabberie]

That's the problem when the face of WoW content that has 40K average livestream viewers started this notion that when he checks the area or dungeon through /who. Any high level characters who don't have a guild are automatically botters especially if the names are similar. Which is a problem in our end since we can't invite and create guilds due to Bnet account limitations. Plus we don't really care if our other toons don't have a guild and only our main has it. Imagine hundreds of his minions reporting you.

Check 10:31

it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if all 40k reported you, if you're just playing the game, you've nothing to worry about.

[Purpleflavor]

Which is a problem in our end since we can't invite and create guilds due to Bnet account limitations. Plus we don't really care if our other toons don't have a guild and only our main has it. Imagine hundreds of his minions reporting you.

What limitations? Why cant we invite and greate guilds? All of my characters are in my own guild.

[marsh123]

it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if all 40k reported you, if you're just playing the game, you've nothing to worry about.

Omg, if you forbid talking about bans in one way, please forbid talking in other ways too, because it is just disinformation.
Back in the days in 2013 or whenever you were multiboxing it could be true, but now it is not, look around and see how many people are whining about multiboxing here and there and how many streamers did extremely toxic videos about it. There are a lot of false-positive bans because of it, and not all of them got overturned, I'm actually not sure if most of them got overturned.
I don't know how you can't see it, mb you are playing like 1-10 hours a week or something, or not playing at all, maybe not playing Classic (I don't know much about current state of actual, was playing/boxing it in Legion last time).
When your own users with registration more than 12 years ago are saying they were banned and were not overturned, you are just calling them liars and banning on the forum, instead of let them talk at least in separate thread and cooperate against this unfair shit.
I can understand, you scared, if we cooperate against blizzard, they might make multiboxing against rules, so you want to stay as quite as possible and keep making money from ISBoxer as long as you can, because WoW is actually last (or one of the last games) where multiboxing is not dead.
It is your choice, but at least forbid this guy I quoted from posting his disinformation too, because he (or she idk) is wrong and have no idea what he is talking about, making conclusions on his own experience is nothing but funny.