Feeling uncertain
I have boxed for 11 years of the 13 I have played WoW. I play 3 and enjoy visions, islands and mog hunting.
I have never been worried about multiboxing until now.. so many complaints about multiboxing gatherers - there seems to be a real push to ban boxing now as well as the bot situation getting really out of hand on retail.
I can't shake off the feeling that something is going to change soon - I hope I am wrong.
What do you think?
Gathering will likely change soon, not because of multiboxers, but because of botting multiboxers.
4x2 will likely get nerfed somehow.
Hivemind will likely get targeted soon as well, and be removed from pvp instances. They dont want us causing any drama in pvp, even if it's bullshit. Dying in pvp is pretty emotional experience for some, feeling inadequate and all, poor fellas. Have to blame their failures and sux on something.
If you can still enjoy the game after losing those, than have no worries since nothing else is ever whined and cried about and blizzard wont feel any pressure or reason to change it. If they ever did, there are actually a few other games out there that are pretty good atm.
Last edited by Purpleflavor : 06-22-2020 at 12:04 AM
Could you mention some? After some toxic videos about multiboxing in WoW from big streamers, I was trying to find not dead game online-wise to be able to feel urself as a part of something, where multiboxing is allowed and multiboxing community not dead aswell. I didn't find a single game actually, where are all that three points takes a place. Would be nice if you could maybe mention some, if possible with few words about and why do you think so, because I'm trying to find some replacement to WoW. Thanks.Originally Posted by Purpleflavor
Lot of people just lack knowledge: they seem to believe that random multiboxer = must also be a botter. 9/10 times its a lost cause to try explain it to them, so thats why ive stopped talking to strangers altogether. Many years ago. Blizzard know who i am. They will "bot check" me whenever they want / based on if people rapport me. So the system works.
Haters gonna hate...
Im not obligated to reply to rude people. Rude people = instant ignore from me.
If anyone asks nicely what i do and/or tell that they are gonna rapport me, i link: https://isboxer.com/multiboxing/is-isboxer-allowed and then carry on with my life. If someone is nice, i might show off some formations, toys, fireworks etcetc.
Last edited by WOWBOX40 : 06-22-2020 at 04:03 AM
If I go to Naz on my old realm the amount of 10x Druids I see swooping down and taking everything is crazy - why wouldn't people want them gone?
I myself have gone to a low pop server and am finding it way easier to make gold from the AH than my old high pop realm.
Eh, I think there isn't any difference, we just notice it more because we're on the receiving end of it. I haven't noticed a bit of difference lately. Same number of people saying the same things for the last 14 years. The only real difference now is that it's so much easier to get into multiboxing and be pretty good at it due to the evolution of tools like ISBoxer. Otherwise, business as usual.
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The biggest gripe is Herb/Mining. The newest resource was not added/changed for the latest patch 8.3 locations. There is a very low amount of players in Nazjatar, extremely low. The majority are there for gathering herbs. It just compounds on itself. If they added zin to Uldum or Valley, the amount of complaints would go way down.
This specific issue will disappear in Shadowlands, unless the same scenario happens again.
The 4x2 farming really doesn't affect/hurt anyone, for some it's just unpleasant to look at.
The PvP no follow rule has always been under the guise of stopping botters, in BG's it's still a fair fight because the numbers are even. And when you play amazing, have a huge chunk of HK's and are playing the map effectively, you still don't win as I show in a couple of videos.
We are at pretty much a disadvantage at every corner and the majority of us have good intentions and play by the rules. Every bucket has a few bad apples and it's an easy target.
Honestly as soon as Shadowlands comes out - this will wash away.
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You definitetly dont want to prevent other players the ability to complete their quests / get the required mob kills they need to complete their quests. Thats why i never farmed a area that had mobs other players absolutely needed. Atleast always leave a / some mobs other players can tag, so they can carry on with their lifes.
My opinion is that the biggest problem we're facing right now is botting and associated gold selling (although the gold selling may be specific to classic). And I'd argue that streaming is the 2nd problem - anytime you're intentionally (or unintentionally) concentrating hundreds of people into one area it causes too much disruption to others, but that's another argument for another day.
While I don't think that most multiboxers are botting, it does seem like almost all botters are also multiboxing (at least in classic). Personally the latest round of bans or instance caps don't seem to have actually caught any of the botters on my server. The same people are still in the same dungeons 24x7.
In addition to the folks who are just purely running teams of bots 24x7, there seems to be a lot of more casual botting going on - cases where the person is generally fully in control most of the time, but does use some automation some of the time. I think its just too easy to cross the line now, and the risk of being caught seems so low. I've had to argue with people in my own guild about the definition of botting. (e.g. I click this button and it runs a small script recorded on my programable keyboard that makes everyone mine/herb, then remount and follow again, or I use this button to "turn on" my dps cycle which is then executed automatically until I hit the button again to "turn off" my dps cycle, not to mention all the fishing bots.)
Not that any of this is new, but it seems to be getting worse recently. In classic right now the barrier to entry is so low - with no game to purchase up front, you just need $15 to get started. Retail isn't much different - its just $20 to upgrade a starter account to BfA right now isn't it? So it seems like botters are regularly using throw away accounts - if Blizz is only going to do ban waves every couple of months I guess they figure they'll get their money's worth and then just rinse and repeat once they get caught.
At a technical level, the hardware requirements have certainly gone way down - any semi-recent PC and video card is good enough if you don't really care about performance - its not like someone who sets their account to farm all night cares what level of FPS their getting.
I haven't ever looked at the market place for WoW bots, but as a network penetration tester I can tell you market for any sort of technical hack has only gotten cheaper and more widespread, less technical/more user friendly. You don't have to have any technical knowledge at all and you can buy just about whatever sort of hack or DDOS you want cheaply and easily now. It seems like years ago the people botting were either mostly programming it themselves or maybe trying to purchase something from some really fishy warez sites where your odds of getting scammed were quite high. Now there's professional looking websites that brag about their customer service. My guess is that the people making the money botting aren't even the people doing the actual botting in game - its the people selling the bots and the gold.
Personally it seems like even some of the legitimate systems and tools we have available to us as multiboxers are too much. The 4x2 farming thing just seems like bad game design. I get that Blizz wanted to allow multiple people to tap a node to reduce the frustration of getting beat to the node. But getting 8 herbs at a time feels even more broken. Blizz seems to be doing only minimal work to fix all the stand-still farming spots - that's equally bad design whether they're getting farmed solo, by bots or legitimate multiboxers (not even counting the AFK-multiboxers who I think fall somewhere between legitimate and a bot). I kinda wish Blizz would break even some simple stuff like having all toons take the same flight point and sharing quest turn in (I know that's allowed in the Blizz API - I'm suggesting they change the API).
I guess I share some sentiment with the original poster that public opinion seems to have changed and I could even understand if Blizz did some sort of knee jerk reaction and did something game changing like breaking /follow.
I think the main reason it seems like more people are bothered by us now is because there are more people playing during the pandemic.
Honestly, I don't really see the fuss about gathering and farming. Sure, we can hit more nodes or whatever, but I'd say the AH barons on a server do more damage to markets than the small number of multiboxers.
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