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    Quote Originally Posted by throaway View Post
    let me explain in more detail

    before EULA change yesterday = on EU, 3 bnet acc max; in France unlimited but 3 acc with bnet balance

    after EULA change = 3 bnet acc max, in the French EULA they removed yesterday the mention saying you can have more than 3 bnet if only 3 has balance, matching the english EULA. speaks for itself. happened yesterday
    The part you're talking about hasn't changed, and I just linked to an archived version of it, from several years ago, in my last post. I can't find an EULA that is specific to France, do you have a link?

    As far as I know, Blizzard has a single EU EULA, and for what we're discussing, it's had the exact same wording in it for, at the very least, three and a half years—this isn't something that was added yesterday.

    Quote Originally Posted by throaway View Post
    Proof, read what the blue Kiemmaki said :

    https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17614983381#post-2

    a blue confirmed before the change, that it's not allowed to have more than 3 bnet, regardless of balance
    and after the change, it's even more clear that it's not allowed

    now will they enforce it, probably not that's the thing

    but by having more than 3 bnet acc, you decide to go against the rules
    Your evidence tells one story, but the action of Blizzard, for the past several years, has told an entirely different story. This isn't a recent change, and there is zero evidence that any player who operates more than three BNet accounts has, or will, be actioned.

    As has been pointed out by Ebony, there are large-scale multiboxers in the EU who, by design, have to use more than three BNet accounts to play all of those characters at once. One of these large-scale multiboxers, Pinkskull, is reported on a weekly basis (he even make videos about him talking directly to GMs after being reported).

    Beeq is another member of this forum who operates 10 accounts in the EU, and had originally had 10 separate BNet accounts because of the old limit on game time tokens. If I'm not mistaken, he spoke directly to support, multiple times, including one time to split his 10 WoW accounts across 10 separate BNet accounts to circumvent the token limit. Guess what? They obliged! However, after the token limit restriction was lifted, I believe he reverted back to just two BNet accounts, but that was a recent change, and it doesn't change the fact that he was playing from multiple BNet accounts, for an extended period of time, with no repercussion.

    So, I have to ask... Why do you think these people haven't had anything happen to them? Do you think that large-scale multiboxers are stealthy and fall under the radar? Somehow I doubt that.

    Ultimately, even if this was to be enforced, who exactly is affected by this? Less than 1% of the, already, less than 1% of the playerbase. Regardless, based upon Blizzard's behavior over the past several years, I would need to hear from someone who has actually dealt with this beyond a random blue on the EU forum, because blues get things wrong from time to time, especially when it isn't their department. This would need to be someone who is known by the multiboxing community, and not some random person who shows up out of nowhere to make any claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    The part you're talking about hasn't changed, and I just linked to an archived version of it, from several years ago, in my last post. I can't find an EULA that is specific to France, do you have a link?

    As far as I know, Blizzard has a single EU EULA, and for what we're discussing, it's had the exact same wording in it for, at the very least, three and a half years—this isn't something that was added yesterday.


    Your evidence tells one story, but the action of Blizzard, for the past several years, has told an entirely different story. This isn't a recent change, and there is zero evidence that any player who operates more than three BNet accounts has, or will, be actioned.

    As has been pointed out by Ebony, there are large-scale multiboxers in the EU who, by design, have to use more than three BNet accounts to play all of those characters at once. One of these large-scale multiboxers, Pinkskull, is reported on a weekly basis (he even make videos about him talking directly to GMs after being reported).

    Beeq is another member of this forum who operates 10 accounts in the EU, and had originally had 10 separate BNet accounts because of the old limit on game time tokens. If I'm not mistaken, he spoke directly to support, multiple times, including one time to split his 10 WoW accounts across 10 separate BNet accounts to circumvent the token limit. Guess what? They obliged! However, after the token limit restriction was lifted, I believe he reverted back to just two BNet accounts, but that was a recent change, and it doesn't change the fact that he was playing from multiple BNet accounts, for an extended period of time, with no repercussion.

    So, I have to ask... Why do you think these people haven't had anything happen to them? Do you think that large-scale multiboxers are stealthy and fall under the radar? Somehow I doubt that.

    Ultimately, even if this was to be enforced, who exactly is affected by this? Less than 1% of the, already, less than 1% of the playerbase. Regardless, based upon Blizzard's behavior over the past several years, I would need to hear from someone who has actually dealt with this beyond a random blue on the EU forum, because blues get things wrong from time to time, especially when it isn't their department. This would need to be someone who is known by the multiboxing community, and not some random person who shows up out of nowhere to make any claims.
    http://eu.blizzard.com/fr-fr/company/legal/eula
    on chrome you can type cache:http://eu.blizzard.com/fr-fr/company/legal/eula to see the old version

    what I said in my last post is what was exactly written and is the official rule, all I said is true, I'm not saying you will be banned, but I wanted to inform you that a detail changed yesterday, which is a fact as proven by wayback machines backups

    now you're obviously free to keep having 3 bnet account or not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by throaway View Post
    This is exactly what we've already been looking at, except in French. That version is not any different than what we've been talking about this entire time.

    Quote Originally Posted by throaway View Post
    what I said in my last post is what was exactly written and is the official rule, all I said is true, I'm not saying you will be banned, but I wanted to inform you that a detail changed yesterday, which is a fact as proven by wayback machines backups

    now you're obviously free to keep having 3 bnet account or not!
    You're clearly missing the point, and maybe it's a language barrier, but what you keep referencing in the EU EULA is not new, it did not appear yesterday, and it has been present in the EU EULA for over three years now—as I've already shown, contrary to what you're saying. Let's focus on this part specifically:

    It is not new, and it has been there for over three years now. (Again, here's the link to the EU EULA from March 2014)

    So, now that we've established that this is something that's been around for several years, why has there not been one single large-scale multiboxer in World of Warcraft, or any 4-boxer in Diablo 3, who plays on EU servers and was banned or suspended, and then cited that "rule" as the reason?

    The answer is because it has to do with Blizzard/BNet Balance, and until a ban, suspension, or forced reduction in BNet accounts is handed out by Blizzard, then that's what I'm sticking to. Ebony got an answer from Blizzard EU several years ago stating that it was, in fact, for Blizzard/BNet Balance, but you have a blue stating otherwise. Seeing as no action has been taken against a single player since that was first included into the EULA, I'm leaning toward it being related to Blizzard/BNet Balance. Especially since I've cited two examples of real EU players who: 1) use(d) more than 3 Blizzard/BNet accounts, 2) have had direct account-related contact with Blizzard during that time, with no consequences what-so-ever.

    If you, or anyone, want to settle this, then this is easy... Just put in a ticket to Blizzard asking for clarification—ask for the ticket to be elevated to a specialist if need be. Ask if it's related to the financial area of the account, and, if not, then why is there a limit of three accounts? Let them know that the US EULA was changed to reflect that the limit was in reference to Blizzard/BNet Balance, and see what they say. If this is an actual, hard limit, on the number of accounts an EU player can hold, then there has to be a reason other than, "for teh lolz!" There would be an actual administrative, or legal reason for the limit to be in place, otherwise it wouldn't be there, and I'm genuinely curious so that we can put this to rest, once and for all.

    I even wrote you a letter to use - https://pastebin.com/L9WNkBrt

    However, if everyone is going to use that, it sure is going to look weird if several people just copy and paste it, so change things up if you want.
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