Running a Large Guild

[Gomotron]

Don't mistake holding the GM rank in game with being the GM of the guild. People won't follow you because of the rank you bought, and they will not do something just because you asked them to for free guild repairs.

If you truely want to lead a progression raiding guild you cannot really go about it the way you have.

A guild is like a "brand" or a sports team.

By buying the guild you have bypassed some people that felt that they (or one of their peers) should have been promoted to GM based on dedication to the guild or performance in the past. This means many of the players most loyal to the team in the past will not be loyal to the new incarnarnation of the guild. Members of the guilds previous raid teams are mot likely among these players, and they have most likely already left

By isolating the guild bank for your personal use you have communicatd to the guild that your personal needs are more important to you than the logistical needs of the guild. Regardless of how useful you may feel a guild bank is or is not to a raid team, the message you sent is strong and clear.

By proposing to rename the guild after yourself you have reinforced the message above - but also clearly indicatedt that the brand of the guild and the history of the guild are not important to you.

You will not find a strong raid leader willing to build a progression raid group in your honor. I commend you for playing the game how you want to play it and enjoying yourself; but don't make the mistake of thinking that you hold any claim on the members of the guilds you have bought. Membership loyalty has to be earned.

Interesting first post.

I think that anyone who has interacted with SamD in the past has gotten to the point of just at this point, mainly because SamD is mostly resistant to any suggestions made by others. Which also begs the question of why he asks for advice to begin with when he ignores most of it.

That said, I agree that your points are valid with respect to renaming the guild and also by isolating the guild bank.

[Masochisto]

Interesting first post.

Thanks, I am actually a really old member that hasn't be active on the forum in years nad forgot his account info :-). I first joined and posted way back when Xzin had his great post on his hardward boxing setup. My account seemed to have been lost or closed when the forum move occurred last year, and I've just been too lazy since...

I'm actually familiar with Sam from his EQ boxing days, and his initial posts on this forum also. This particular post just struck a nerve enough that I registered a new account to respond :-)

[Gomotron]

Thanks, I am actually a really old member that hasn't be active on the forum in years nad forgot his account info :-). I first joined and posted way back when Xzin had his great post on his hardward boxing setup. My account seemed to have been lost or closed when the forum move occurred last year, and I've just been too lazy since...

I'm actually familiar with Sam from his EQ boxing days, and his initial posts on this forum also. This particular post just struck a nerve enough that I registered a new account to respond :-)

Welcome back!

[Sam DeathWalker]

All that is true enough, but the simple problem is that people in this guild dont seem to want to raid. I'v even offered 2K for each person who does our first successful FL boss kill.

Its not me or not me, cause those who didn't care for me leading the guild have long since quit. Keep in mind there never was a "raiding core" in the guild it was all a bunch of farmers and the prior GM just used the guild to get as much gold out of it that he could (he raided in another guild....). He also didnt allow guild bank access. Obviously I am concerned about helping the guild that will have my name on it but ya I need the bank for my own purposes. I really dont see what is missing by not having the bank given I pay for the calderons of battle by giving the materials to the alch who can make them. And I pay for the repairs.

New people have come in and they are hot to raid when they join but then raids and schdualed and few show up. Some say they dont have enough ilevel to raid FL, others say no time that day due to rl commitments, others are doing some other things. No one in the guild seems to have a clear idea of why we dont seem to be able to get enough online at one time to raid. Although some have said not having any requirments makes it to casual for hard core raiders.

The simple fact is that all the old people in the guild are just not raiders or not interested in raiding. The new people I bring in though are up for raiding, in fact a 381 warrior just joined who is 7/7 in FL normal. So we will See, clearly it takes time to build up a 10 man core who shows up every night.

I am really miffed that we got up to 492 level 85's then fell back to 485 again .... I want to make a big annoucement about being first guild with 500 level 85's.

Its ok though although not moving forward as fast as anyone would like the new members replace the old members so there isnt any loss. We have vent, and a website, so things are better then they were under the old leader.

The other guild (reality) the PvP guild just runs itself, I pop in say hi, no one responds and I log out. The already have their 2x and 3x teams and there is really nothing for me to do. They have bank access and there is a bunch of stuff there but I just let it sit.

[MiRai]

I want to make a big annoucement about being first guild with 500 level 85's.

I'll assume you're talking about your own realm but...

...Ruinous on Kil'Jaeden has over 900 level 85's, and that's just one of their guilds. They have at least 3
guilds total in a joint alliance across the realm with many more level 85's at their disposal.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I'll assume you're talking about your own realm but...

...Ruinous on Kil'Jaeden has over 900 level 85's, and that's just one of their guilds. They have at least 3
guilds total in a joint alliance across the realm with many more level 85's at their disposal.

Rats .... Oh well ....

[Gomotron]

Rats .... Oh well ....

Sam, I'm not trying to be an arse, but if you really pride yourself on being first in WoW in ANYTHING, you're going to have to buckle down, pick your target, and devote full time 24/7 to it.

As it is, you are a little behind time-wise from folks who have been playing this game for a long while before you started. That means that you are going to have to put in an insane amount of effort to be first at anything. From what I've seen thus far from you, you have unbridled enthusiasm but are a little too ADD to actually have a worldwide first in anything.

If you really want to do it, you have to pick your goal and then knuckle down and get it done. And that goes for developing a group of core raiders for your guild as well.