@zenga Watching the videos is what made me stop wanting to use melee dps cuz the groups with melee were getting annihilated. But what about it makes it IMPOSSIBLE to do with any combo of toons? Is it the mechanics or just the sheer amount of time it would take to level the toons and get them properly geared? And what about 10 man raids? Is that just as impossible (or just not worth it due to having to level and gear them all)?
Your questions have already been answered in a previous postOriginally Posted by doommachine
I'm going to be straight with you, wheter you like it or not:
- if you would 've spend 30 minutes looking at cataclysm raids & tactics, you'd realize by now that 25m solo raiding as a boxer is not possible, just by mechanics
- you'd also realize by now that your all melee / pally / casters is nothing but stupid
Not even talking about the time it's gonna take you to get 25 toons up to 85, which is realistically several months, at least. And then you still need to gear them up to not getting 1 shotted by a raid boss. Add another month. By that time there is a new tier of gear/content out.
This has nothing to do with skill. This has to do with common sense and do 30 minutes of research (like suggested earlier) rather than talking nonsense about 25m raiding. You wanna box 25 man pvp? Sure go ahead, thats doable. Wanna box 25m pve raids? Forget about it, not gonna happen. The fact that you never got past gunship might explain you being naive, but it should not be an excuse.
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Arcane has arcane explosion, castable while moving.Arcane has superior singletarget DPS and fire as superior AoE. You should get your facts straight before throwing stuff like this around.
Fire has scorch and living bomb and maybe fireball if you dont need to move.
In pvp and I am sure in raiding you have to move a lot and spells that cast while moving are a big plus. Plus scorch requires no mana, ya its going to be less dps but haveing to never worry about oom is a plus. If you are thinking blast wave, it has a cool down, I don't count stuff you can't use all the time. If you are thinking arcane missles its channeled and standing in one spot for a long time is death. And fire spells are 40 yards........ And with 16 mages stuff dies fast and you need to switch targets fast making arcane missles even less powerfull.
Well ya just 3 classes but they are plate mail and cloth so that covers a lot. I think the advantages of making macros faster outweighs the fact that you have 16 cloth but if you are going to not use a lot of mellee then that leaves casters and that means cloth unless you go with shaman.there is an insane amount of drops that 'll need to be DE'd
Thats all true but you can do well outside of raiding in this game. With top end crafting and pvp rewards you can have purples. I think you could have like a 245ilevel not raiding and 264 or a bit more raiding, at level 80 pre cata. Not sure how cata will play out but it seems that you don't need to raid to at least be able to raid the first one or two levels of raids without getting one shotted. Not saying that crafting for all is easy but its far from impossible.And then you still need to gear them up to not getting 1 shotted by a raid
Riptide is a dot for sure but SIX of them ....... thats what 5K - 10K healing every 3 seconds (not sure how much beyond the base a level 85 restro shaman will get but base for 6 is close to 5K per 3 seconds). Well I don't know but thats a lot of healing.
Its instant for 2300 (x6) with a 6 second cool down so if you don't mind overwriting the dot with a fresh cast you can get a 14 - 28 K burst (assuming talents and gear and stuff doubles your base) every 6 seconds. No doubt not very efficient mana wise but healing macro be very simple.
This is very true, and why I am not raiding. Nonetheless given Isboxer, its again VERY HARD but not impossible to macro the whole raid (some of them). You have to write macros JUST FOR A SINGLE encounter. You have to time the delay before you advance to the next step just right also. You will lose 20 30 40 times or more whatever before you even know when the do what but with a substaintial time investment it does not seem impossible. Although it is just a possible that 25 man raids just cannot be boxed as there are to many independant things to do at one time. But IsBoxer is a tremendous tool ....There's too many mechanics that would just blow your mind trying to work out a strategy for, and honestly, you don't seem to have the capacity to properly theorycraft it.
Basically you are saying that cata raids cannot be boxed. I am sure Merc and others will prove that incorrect as time goes on. I mean we are two weeks into cata and things no doubt are looking way difficult. Lets see how we feel a year into cata. Most raids look almost impossible before someone comes up with a solid stratagy to beat it. And I am sure that tanking, dps, healing and cc will all play their part.
If its as hard as you say then blizzard will dumb down the raids. ICC might or might not be "raiding" but we know the ilevel of gear that drops is considered raid gear. If ICC isn't raiding just what pre cata is considered raiding?
Blizzard is not trying to make the game to hard (unlike EQ). Are you saying there has been some kind of change in philosphy at Blizzard in that they wish to make the game harder at the top end for some reason?
Ya its going to take forever to get 25 level 85's, and he will probably not stick with it that long but so whats none is forcing anyone to read these threads, taken me over 2 years just to get 9 level 80's but I will be positioned way better come next expansion (might even have all 31 at level 85 a few months before) to make a push.
Ya well the only big two things I would have done different are doing the raf better using my method (x level 60's from x-2 level 30's and 2 level 60, advise I never got when I started) and to go with mages instead of shaman for dps (and of course things have changed a LOT from 2 years ago). Tag boosting has turned out as viable as questing and in pvp range is still king, regardless of what others say....
Why don't you also shun the stratagy I invented of pressing a single key to have two characters cast the same spell at the same time. I was the very first to connect two accounts to a single key press.There's a a reason Sam is shunned on these forums. It's because he's made a WoW career out of trolling the fuck out of people who don't know any better and blatantly ignoring advice he's asked for just because it wasn't done that way in another game. So sure, go to Sam for answers, it'll very much be the blind leading the legally blind.
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You do understand what that screenshot shows dont you? Thats the second SZ went live (as you can tell from all the GM's online). And thats me, samdaman and samistheman, connected to a single keyboard; thats about 2001.
See post number 8 in this thread; I was a pro before wow even existed.
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Last edited by Sam DeathWalker : 12-20-2010 at 01:03 PM
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I was once a pro with the ladies. However, I'm now chubby, balding, and have a wife and three kids. Your screenshot is pointless.
We let your current accomplishments stand on their merits, Sam. Which is to say, we're not impressed.
You've never even multiboxed before. I'd say it's "honest", not hilarious.
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