Holy crap -- PvP changes

[Mosg2]

From mmo-champion:

Rating requirements on PvP Gear
The only item with a meaningful rating requirement is the heroic raid ilvl equivalent weapon (the 2200 weapon). However, unlike the LK seasons there is also a weapon equivalent to the normal raid tier ilvl that has no rating requirement.

All of the other items with rating requirements (ie: the set pieces) have the exact same stats as the ones without rating requirements, they're a free upgrade and just have a different texture color so you get a little bit of visual distinction for having a high rating (no gameplay advantage).

Can anyone say wow?

[Mokoi]

that's good news for people like me who suck at PvP and have never been above 1900 lol.

[Zub]

incoming massive arena players qq?

[Mosg2]

Well, there's still the titles and the 2200-equivalent weapons to distinguish people I guess I'm excited about this. It means they're seriously gating how many points you can get per week--It makes it easier to have multiple teams and not feel spread thin.

[Eloxy]

This is the biggest pile of bs I've heard in a good while. Rewarding good and dedicated arena/bg play with colours? What the hell is going on..what the hell. So any casual mommaboy can have just as good gear as a pure dedicated pvper?

The one thing that draws me to do better in arena and have fun is to aim for better gear. And having eg shoulders makes you stand a bit out of the crowd. But the colour thing is just as little apealing to me as achievements. They don't matter. Atleast pveers get hardmodes and can have better gear.

I think this change is fail fail fail.

[Zub]

incoming massive arena players qq?

This is the biggest pile of bs I've heard in a good while. Rewarding good and dedicated arena/bg play with colours? What the hell is going on..what the hell. So any casual mommaboy can have just as good gear as a pure dedicated pvper?

The one thing that draws me to do better in arena and have fun is to aim for better gear. And having eg shoulders makes you stand a bit out of the crowd. But the colour thing is just as little apealing to me as achievements. They don't matter. Atleast pveers get hardmodes and can have better gear.

I think this change is fail fail fail.

knew it was coming :-)

[ILikeTwins]

Are you sure they just haven't added the rating requirements yet? They used to not have rating requirements a few seasons ago and said that it was a big mistake so they added the ratings. This would be a complete 180 degree change in direction for them so it would be a bit surprising if they actually did that.

[Littleburst]

This is the biggest pile of bs I've heard in a good while. Rewarding good and dedicated arena/bg play with colours? What the hell is going on..what the hell. So any casual mommaboy can have just as good gear as a pure dedicated pvper?

The one thing that draws me to do better in arena and have fun is to aim for better gear. And having eg shoulders makes you stand a bit out of the crowd. But the colour thing is just as little apealing to me as achievements. They don't matter. Atleast pveers get hardmodes and can have better gear.

I think this change is fail fail fail.

Allthough i'm not really into arena i do agree. Simply because i have full wrathfull means that i have a big advantage over the average pug in furious/relentless gear. If everyone is gonna get full wrath then pve off items will be the only items that will improve a player's pvpcapabilities.

It would be a bit fail indeed.

[outdrsyguy1]

There was a statement that the current system in live wow was not working for a lot of people. Having rated requirements tended to let the highly skilled people get gear quickly and then keep others from getting it. You end up with a large group of people that can never get a pvp weapon (1800 isn't exactly easy, maybe 20% get there?) and anything but those terrible wintergrasp shoulders. The current virtually no rating requirements are what the intend to implement. There's also a craftable starter entry level pvp set that will be upgraded every season (the recipe will change to better stats).
Blizz stated higher skilled people will still get it faster due to getting more points and such.
Even with PVE raiders, with the icc buff at 30%, most folks are getting the high end raiding gear, it just takes longer. So really they are aligning pvp with pve and also allowing average joe blow to eventually get decent pvp gear. Which I think is a welcome change.
I personally hated being someone who didn't raid so I was stuck with a crappy 232 weap at best vs all these arena teams with 264+ weaps. It's a HUGE difference.

I like the change, i'm looking forward to it, I think it's a positive thing. If your already better at pvp, why should you be rewarded with gear that lets you wtfpwn others without trying, that's only fun for a small percentage of people. You still get to look cool and showoff your titles and armor/weapon.

[zenga]

On equal gear level good players will still win from the bad players. I totally don't care about arena myself, besides the occasional night every other week with 2 friend to play some 3v3.. But I do enjoy BG's a lot, and I play them a lot. Obviously the dedicated arena players has an edge over the non arena players in BG's. So even out that difference is for a player like me a welcome thing.

However just having different colors as the only 'achievement' for arena seems a bit stupid as well. I was thinking/hoping they would keep the different tiers of pvp gear, but make them wider available. Either through arena, rated bg's, or by the highest tier raid emblems.