Cata not so MB friendly

[Iceorbz]

What should we be doing? Pre-Heroics?

You would do normal level 85 dungeons till your pretty much geared up through them. Just like we did in burning crusade, people ran normal "70" instances for a bit, till they could get enough to do heroics. Maybe many people have forgotten that Shadow Vault, Mech, Bot, Arcatraz, Steamvaults, Shattered halls were all available for us, to do in non heroic modes and were geared towards level 70's, and later magister's terrace dropped and that was not for fresh geared 80's similar to our ICC instances. Instead the WoTLK model was ding 80 in level 76 quest greens-- and never do a single normal instance ever again. The keys kept people bound to normal instances at least for a bit; which then allowed them to get the gear they needed (blues) to clear through heroics. I mean really, I hit 80-- didn't even change gear and went and cleared heroic UK 5 box...
It's ok that you like the game easy man! There's ton of people out there like that. I however, want more instances like the last few that came out and less crap like UK.

[Multibocks]

You would do normal level 85 dungeons till your pretty much geared up through them. Just like we did in burning crusade, people ran normal "70" instances for a bit, till they could get enough to do heroics. Maybe many people have forgotten that Shadow Vault, Mech, Bot, Arcatraz, Steamvaults, Shattered halls were all available for us, to do in non heroic modes and were geared towards level 70's, and later magister's terrace dropped and that was not for fresh geared 80's similar to our ICC instances. Instead the WoTLK model was ding 80 in level 76 quest greens-- and never do a single normal instance ever again. The keys kept people bound to normal instances at least for a bit; which then allowed them to get the gear they needed (blues) to clear through heroics. I mean really, I hit 80-- didn't even change gear and went and cleared heroic UK 5 box...
It's ok that you like the game easy man! There's ton of people out there like that. I however, want more instances like the last few that came out and less crap like UK.

But people DID run normal instances in Wrath before doing heroics. You joined the boxing party late into Wrath, maybe blizzard can roll you back to 3.0 and you can really see what heroics were like tanking with 21k health. Trash packs could kill you. I understand you want a harder dungeon, but quit acting like Wrath heroics were easy when it launched. Do I need to dig up all the stupid threads were people could only do UK and part of Gundrak. Jesus it's like I'm talking to Nostalgia Man.

"Duuuuuuude, you remember Shattered Halls man??"
"yaaa that shit was soo hard"


Walking uphill both ways in snow and all that.

edit: More on track with the thread, Skywall looks super super easy with a boxing group. All the bosses, unless they are undertuned were a cakewalk.

[Iceorbz]

But people DID run normal instances in Wrath before doing heroics. You joined the boxing party late into Wrath, maybe blizzard can roll you back to 3.0 and you can really see what heroics were like tanking with 21k health. Trash packs could kill you. I understand you want a harder dungeon, but quit acting like Wrath heroics were easy when it launched. Do I need to dig up all the stupid threads were people could only do UK and part of Gundrak. Jesus it's like I'm talking to Nostalgia Man.

"Duuuuuuude, you remember Shattered Halls man??"
"yaaa that shit was soo hard"


Walking uphill both ways in snow and all that.

edit: More on track with the thread, Skywall looks super super easy with a boxing group. All the bosses, unless they are undertuned were a cakewalk.

The only instances I did was UK, Nexus, DTK, Azjol Nerub, and the Violet Hold. (Normal) Everything else was completed on heroic. As soon as I dinged 80, I had never set foot into a normal instance. From the time I hit 80 on my paladin, she has never done a normal instance other then the new ICC ones.

People do not do normal instances at 80, at least no one I have played with, nor do I recommend to anyone to do normal instances. I didn't join the boxing party late into wrath, not sure where you got that from. Dinged level 80 and also completed my heroic multiboxed that same day (UK). 3-28-2009

My shaman on December 8th, 2007 were only level 63 (from a mana-tombs screen shot). Even so, getting to level 80 in March is not really "joining the party late". I had to get home from deployment before I could continue leveling. I did however, have a warrior at 80 -- he also -- never did a normal instance after level 80 his first heroics were completed on Dec 14th 2008.

[Alemi]

Even so, getting to level 80 in March is not really "joining the party late".

Not to defend his point, but - yes it is. That was 2 weeks before the Ulduar patch. By the point you dinged 80, there were 4 bug/class balancing fix patches. To your point, however, I never did regular dungeons - except when farming the stupid defense trinket from Loken.

I'm not one for nostalgia, but I do look forward to BC/vanilla difficulty again. Wrath just wasn't as challenging, imho.

[offive]

Been playing beta, messing around with some macros just not /click. Servers are down right now, but I will see what I can test out when they come up. Yes there are required collection quests, just a fact of life.

I do know that cast sequence still works just fine. I also know that when I went through Twilight Higlands I was dead if I pulled more than one mob... fun fun fun. Doesn't help that none of the quests in Uldum or TH give gear.

It looks like ret pallys can be played with a handfull of keys, however holy power is a combo point system so your holy power dump keys (Templars and Divine Storm) should be seperate from your normal rotation. Art of war doesn't allow for inst cast heals anymore so you will need to get used to new timing of heals.

I have run HoO, Grim Batol, and even tanked Blackrock Caverns and I will say that most of the fights look manageable for boxing. There are some tricky things in boss mechanics and Grim has tons of trash, but I don't think it will be a show stopper.

The daily quest hub and wintergrasp replacement (Tol Barad) is interesting and I wish I had my team with me for the quests! I have a feeling daily questing in Tol Barad will be overloaded with people.

Anyway, I will report back on what I find out with the /click. I think there is a new build soon. Things change a lot... of course.