how do you guys think itll shape up
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how do you guys think itll shape up
Unless you can move them all in synch and jump turn to throw out lightning bolts.... I'm gonna go with same old sucky ele pvp.
yeah, though as much, im going to be leveling boomies soon, should be more fun lol i hope
i have just farmed 5x full set of heirlooms to casters with trinkets + got helm and cloak.
Im thinking of starting either 4x ele sham + pala/war tank. or 5 mages.. I cant realy deside which one, im gonna buy 5 new accounts and get that new 1-80 recruit a friend system on them, so 5 mages would be ALOT easier with recruit.
yeah guess im choosing between 4 ele sham or 4 boom for my main Box
They will be much better as solo.. for PvP, and PvE once you get the two set bonus!
What are the set bonuses?
2-Piece - Your offensive spells have a chance to reset the remaining cooldown on your Fire Elemental Totem.
4-Piece - Your Lava Surge talent also makes Lava Burst instant when it triggers.
According to testers, this makes it available almost non stop. I think this should be a glpyh..not a set bonus, Ele needs the help.
I've been playing ele a lot on ptr with a premade toon and the 2 piece bonus is plain awesome (but our fire ele is still plain dumb, rather than fixing the AI of the fire ele, they now give us a way to cast it again). The 4 piece is not a huge dps increase, but it's more a problem to deal with lava surge procs that we get while we are casting lvb, which was basically a waste so far. There is quite a lot of speculation on totemspot (main ele site) whether this is meant as test case for a future talent change (perma pet for ele and lava surge = instant in talent tree).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyonheart
In pve ele shaman was at the bottom of all dps specs in current raid tier. And to be viable the skill cap was pretty high. That will be solved through new lightning bolt movement glyph though. But there is still the fact that we don't have the burst we used to have, our lava burst is not the hardest hitting spell in the game. Good thing is that we scale extremely well with gear.
Could be. First I was thinking, that could be OP. But then again, you need several Flame shocks rolling to get a good proc rate. Which are dispellable. Besides that it's not like you got much to offer atm anyway, as ele sham in a pvp scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
still, im sticking with the class, as i enjoy it, and ill continue to work at it......that is unless my boomkins will be even more fun :P
Wish we still were in s8 with wrathfull gear :/ <3
That's a misleading quote. Elemental Shaman DPS is very competetive, it's only bottom currently because the majority of fights this tier involve some kind of cleave (either 2 bosses or lots of adds). It's the mechanics of this tiers encounters that are the problem, not their damage. Which is probably why Blizzard is giving them a spammable elemental.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
Atm with full bloodthirsty gear and vicious weps my lightning bolts are hitting for 8 k on lvl 85 dummies, while my equal geared hunter with spammable arcane shots hit for 10-12 k. So dmg is fairly low from a PvP point of viewQuote:
Originally Posted by Meshuggenah
No my quote was spot on. Over all raid content ele shaman is at the very bottom of the dps specs. There is simply no way to deny that, as all numbers will prove you wrong; A good elemental is just competitive when there are multiple bosses active, for the simple fact he can dot up flame shocks and get thus more lava surge procs. But lets see:Quote:
Originally Posted by Meshuggenah
Magmaw HC: 2 adds, not really 'cleave', rest of fight requires hardly movement
Maloriak HC: black adds are awesome for our new aoe rotation, other adds don't have enough health, hardly movement
Chimaron HC: hardly any movement involved
Atramedes HC: basic movement, but we always have something to cast
Defense system HC: single target fight, quite some movement
Nef HC: no multiple adds, hardly any movement involved, gimmic fight due to buff, pure rng if u get it or not
Conclave HC: depending on your role and tactic moving intensive or not, not multiple adds
Alakir HC: adds, but you can't cleave them, moving intensive
Halfus HC: adds that allow us to do better to cleave & multi dot - gimmick fight
V&T HC: no adds, 2 bosses, quite some movement
Council HC: way too much movement and prolly worst fight for ele
Cho'gall HC: adds, but rest of fight is pretty static
Sinestra: not really a cleave fight, again haste modifier
Bar council hard, we always have spells enough to cast while moving. There are not more cleave fights than stand alone fights. And moving will always be a part of encounter design.
Go to this site, and check the dps ranking from all logs available, and check on a boss per boss level, and you'll see that every time ele is near or at the bottom of dps specs.
On 8 heroic fights (25) I've scored a top 200 rank in world of logs as ele shaman in 4.1. And on none of them I was the top dps in my raid, often facing a large gap with others, who were at only 80% of scoring a ranked kill for their spec.
Yeah our lava burst hits for pathetic damage compared to other specs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikita
Ele works in 3s single from what I was doing on PTR, but I'm still skeptical of 4 sham 5s. The burst just isn't what it used to be, and we're still crippled by stuns and interrupts.
There are far far too many interrupts in the game compared to when we were in our prime... but there are also very few prot warriors and such running around stunning things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toned
I haven't been in the shaman scene since cata. and can't check talent trees at work. What did they give elementals for survival when they removed Astral shift. nothing? Shaman can take some beatings back then. Now I'd imagined you have to run sideways while casting LB. When they got near, earthbind, then run again. and finally TS, and run again. All the running, you chip in Lava burst whenever it is up. Otherwise, just keep running LB all day. and this obviously won't be too easy to do with boxing.
TS has a snare now as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by remanz
Right. I got that from the patch notes. The snare is definitely welcome.
But no compensation for Astral Shift removal when cata launched, so we just lost 30% damage reduction flat ? That seems pretty harsh to me.
Astral Shift was not OP like divine sacrifice for paladins.
Back in Wrath I once had a very frustrated conversation about my ele.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
"Me: At this point I just try to out dps anyone that's stupid enough to die and any shadow priests"
"Reply: Really? They are buffing shadow priests next patch"
*SHAMAN RETIRED*
After playing the entire noon since patch is up on my main ele in BG's ... all I can say is WoW. It's fcking awesome with all the changes. Can't wait for AV this weekend and run around with multiple ele's.
Melee ... for the first time in 7 months they actually ran away from me. Self heals that crit for 50k :o (ghw)
The crit boost to healing spells is actually a serious boost for ele.
Being locked out of your nature school is still painful, but man I'm having a blast.
The crit to healing spells is for every healing ability in the game that can already crit.
Obviously, but it's very welcome for ele shamans, something I never really realized when thinking about the 4.2 pvp buffs.
how are you taking advantage of running while casting LBs? You just not bother? Seems too difficult to be advantageous.
huh? if you move after rooting someone you can cast lb's and build up a stack of fulmination ,.... i don't really see whats hard with casting while for instance circle strafing ... of course you should botherQuote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
You can circle strafe on all 5?
with the right keybinds, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
Probably, I don't really PvP in WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikita
There are several Elemental Shamans in the top 200 damage done on 25H Chim (the only single target encounter in the entire tier that I can think of?). So, I'd say there is plenty of evidence that Elemental damage on single targets is competetive with other classes/specs. Flame shock on a couple of targets is not even in the same ballpark as double dotting Moonkins, Spriests, impact, DK cleave, Rogue cleave, Warrior cleave, hunter cleave . . . probably could have saved time and just said any other class in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
If you actually go through world of logs and look at the the damage split between targets on each fight, the single target damage done to focus targets (the boss) is competetive. The inflated numbers other classes get are, in most cases, caused by cleave. There's no way a Shaman of any spec can keep up with Rogue cleave on Heroic Magmaw, Warlocks on Maloriak, Mages on Halfus. It's just the way classes interact with cleave.
Top 200 parses are no evidence at all to prove the viability of a spec, because they are either the parses were rng was on your side, or they got dark intend / focus magic. They prove nothing. The only way that they are useful is to prove a spec is not viable: if you have #70 parse on fight A for your spec, and you are 6th on damage done in your raid, while others are nowhere near a ranked parse for their spec, it gives an indication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meshuggenah
The only viable data available are the simcraft results, which are theoretic numbers, and the collection of ALL world of logs parses, including the non ranked ones.
Like I said, on all single target encounters, ele shamans are near the bottom or at the bottom. It has nothing to do with cleave, since they are single target. I linked the data in question, so your claim that there is plenty of proof that ele is viable single target is simply crap (the more cause you use chimaeron, where there is a hit debuff). Maybe in your raid you are top single target, but that tells more about the others in your raid. (talking 4.1 btw). Just go to the site I linked and spend a few minutes browsing through the fights one by one, then come back and tell me again ele is competitive single target. Again, they contain ALL parses. And there are different ways to look at the data (all, medium, etc). They all give more or less the same result.
Ele died with the lich king.... maybe some day it will come back ><
How is enhance~
I noticed my enhanced shaman damage increased quite a bit in 4.2 comparing to pre-4.2. But he was not 85 yet.
It did increase a lot, but not enough to make it viable to 2200 or anything in my opinion, at least in 5's.Quote:
Originally Posted by remanz
I would prefer the realistic data provided by actual in-game combat of the top 10% of players to a combined log full of randoms, personally. Or to a simcraft calculation based entirely on stats with no input from movement or environmental/encounter effects. Especially when that log lists arms above fury, BM hunters above all mage specs, frost spec mages more than 10k DPS behind other specs.. I can see a dozen flawed results by clicking all DPS from my knowledge of comparative DPS alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
That site is simply wrong. I assume it's wrong because it includes input from the bottom 90% of raiders, where there are a lot of bads to skew the numbers (myself included).
Got my ele shamans up and running today in AV. Dmg is semi okay I guess, but any target who gets focused by 1 healer is hard to kill, and thats when my team stands freely to cast. The upside of my shaman is the new glyph which makes you able to cast LBs on the run, really helpfull in chasing ppl, FCs and such, BUT has limited use in arena im afraid :/ After a few AVs I switched to my 4 BM specced hunters and pretty much lolwtfpwnd every alliance player. The difference is insane!! Sent 3 of my 4 pets to a holy paladin hiding behind a tower I was defending, and by only spamming Kill Command, I was able to make him bubble, and eventually die :D cant wait to gear up my hunters in full vicious and try 5s again.
What's your gear like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikita
I can pretty much global people again with my 4 shamans and have been having a blast with them. With the new 4 piece bonus, fulmination hits like a truck and when i get 9 stacks, earth shock alone will one shot people. Really fun have a warrior bladestorm me and give me charges, target switching and killing someone outright with earth shock.
Ele died with the Ulduar patch actually. Ever since then it's been catch-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toned
Ulduar patch, same gear, same fights, same group, 1-1.5k less dps
i got 8 pieces of S9 over the AV weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by Alemi
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Originally Posted by Alemi
That's just freaking awesome LOL especially the warrior bladestorm deal