performanace of Ele shaman in 4.2?

[zenga]

2-Piece - Your offensive spells have a chance to reset the remaining cooldown on your Fire Elemental Totem.

4-Piece - Your Lava Surge talent also makes Lava Burst instant when it triggers.

According to testers, this makes it available almost non stop. I think this should be a glpyh..not a set bonus, Ele needs the help.

I've been playing ele a lot on ptr with a premade toon and the 2 piece bonus is plain awesome (but our fire ele is still plain dumb, rather than fixing the AI of the fire ele, they now give us a way to cast it again). The 4 piece is not a huge dps increase, but it's more a problem to deal with lava surge procs that we get while we are casting lvb, which was basically a waste so far. There is quite a lot of speculation on totemspot (main ele site) whether this is meant as test case for a future talent change (perma pet for ele and lava surge = instant in talent tree).

In pve ele shaman was at the bottom of all dps specs in current raid tier. And to be viable the skill cap was pretty high. That will be solved through new lightning bolt movement glyph though. But there is still the fact that we don't have the burst we used to have, our lava burst is not the hardest hitting spell in the game. Good thing is that we scale extremely well with gear.

[Littleburst]

I've been playing ele a lot on ptr with a premade toon and the 2 piece bonus is plain awesome (but our fire ele is still plain dumb, rather than fixing the AI of the fire ele, they now give us a way to cast it again). The 4 piece is not a huge dps increase, but it's more a problem to deal with lava surge procs that we get while we are casting lvb, which was basically a waste so far. There is quite a lot of speculation on totemspot (main ele site) whether this is meant as test case for a future talent change (perma pet for ele and lava surge = instant in talent tree).

In pve ele shaman was at the bottom of all dps specs in current raid tier. And to be viable the skill cap was pretty high. That will be solved through new lightning bolt movement glyph though. But there is still the fact that we don't have the burst we used to have, our lava burst is not the hardest hitting spell in the game. Good thing is that we scale extremely well with gear.

Could be. First I was thinking, that could be OP. But then again, you need several Flame shocks rolling to get a good proc rate. Which are dispellable. Besides that it's not like you got much to offer atm anyway, as ele sham in a pvp scenario.

[Homer]

Could be. First I was thinking, that could be OP. But then again, you need several Flame shocks rolling to get a good proc rate. Which are dispellable. Besides that it's not like you got much to offer atm anyway, as ele sham in a pvp scenario.

If you dispell a FS your screwed lol 90% haste is it not?

[Littleburst]

If you dispell a FS your screwed lol 90% haste is it not?

Depends, If you got people who are stupid enough to stand in the open while dispelling Flame shock. Any decent team will seek shelter to dispell it. I was mainly talking about the usefullnes of Fire Nova. If you get flameshocks rolling on 4 targets, that can be fun. But as said, I don't expect that to happen, since they'll dispell them off if they're able to think.

[Meshuggenah]

In pve ele shaman was at the bottom of all dps specs in current raid tier

That's a misleading quote. Elemental Shaman DPS is very competetive, it's only bottom currently because the majority of fights this tier involve some kind of cleave (either 2 bosses or lots of adds). It's the mechanics of this tiers encounters that are the problem, not their damage. Which is probably why Blizzard is giving them a spammable elemental.

[Nikita]

That's a misleading quote. Elemental Shaman DPS is very competetive, it's only bottom currently because the majority of fights this tier involve some kind of cleave (either 2 bosses or lots of adds). It's the mechanics of this tiers encounters that are the problem, not their damage. Which is probably why Blizzard is giving them a spammable elemental.

Atm with full bloodthirsty gear and vicious weps my lightning bolts are hitting for 8 k on lvl 85 dummies, while my equal geared hunter with spammable arcane shots hit for 10-12 k. So dmg is fairly low from a PvP point of view

[zenga]

Atm with full bloodthirsty gear and vicious weps my lightning bolts are hitting for 8 k on lvl 85 dummies, while my equal geared hunter with spammable arcane shots hit for 10-12 k. So dmg is fairly low from a PvP point of view

Yeah our lava burst hits for pathetic damage compared to other specs.

[zenga]

That's a misleading quote. Elemental Shaman DPS is very competetive, it's only bottom currently because the majority of fights this tier involve some kind of cleave (either 2 bosses or lots of adds). It's the mechanics of this tiers encounters that are the problem, not their damage. Which is probably why Blizzard is giving them a spammable elemental.

No my quote was spot on. Over all raid content ele shaman is at the very bottom of the dps specs. There is simply no way to deny that, as all numbers will prove you wrong; A good elemental is just competitive when there are multiple bosses active, for the simple fact he can dot up flame shocks and get thus more lava surge procs. But lets see:

Magmaw HC: 2 adds, not really 'cleave', rest of fight requires hardly movement
Maloriak HC: black adds are awesome for our new aoe rotation, other adds don't have enough health, hardly movement
Chimaron HC: hardly any movement involved
Atramedes HC: basic movement, but we always have something to cast
Defense system HC: single target fight, quite some movement
Nef HC: no multiple adds, hardly any movement involved, gimmic fight due to buff, pure rng if u get it or not

Conclave HC: depending on your role and tactic moving intensive or not, not multiple adds
Alakir HC: adds, but you can't cleave them, moving intensive

Halfus HC: adds that allow us to do better to cleave & multi dot - gimmick fight
V&T HC: no adds, 2 bosses, quite some movement
Council HC: way too much movement and prolly worst fight for ele
Cho'gall HC: adds, but rest of fight is pretty static
Sinestra: not really a cleave fight, again haste modifier

Bar council hard, we always have spells enough to cast while moving. There are not more cleave fights than stand alone fights. And moving will always be a part of encounter design.

Go to this site, and check the dps ranking from all logs available, and check on a boss per boss level, and you'll see that every time ele is near or at the bottom of dps specs.

On 8 heroic fights (25) I've scored a top 200 rank in world of logs as ele shaman in 4.1. And on none of them I was the top dps in my raid, often facing a large gap with others, who were at only 80% of scoring a ranked kill for their spec.

[luxlunae]

No my quote was spot on. Over all raid content ele shaman is at the very bottom of the dps specs. There is simply no way to deny that, as all numbers will prove you wrong;

On 8 heroic fights (25) I've scored a top 200 rank in world of logs as ele shaman in 4.1. And on none of them I was the top dps in my raid, often facing a large gap with others, who were at only 80% of scoring a ranked kill for their spec.

Back in Wrath I once had a very frustrated conversation about my ele.

"Me: At this point I just try to out dps anyone that's stupid enough to die and any shadow priests"
"Reply: Really? They are buffing shadow priests next patch"
*SHAMAN RETIRED*

[Meshuggenah]

Atm with full bloodthirsty gear and vicious weps my lightning bolts are hitting for 8 k on lvl 85 dummies, while my equal geared hunter with spammable arcane shots hit for 10-12 k. So dmg is fairly low from a PvP point of view

Probably, I don't really PvP in WoW.

No my quote was spot on. Over all raid content ele shaman is at the very bottom of the dps specs. There is simply no way to deny that, as all numbers will prove you wrong; A good elemental is just competitive when there are multiple bosses active, for the simple fact he can dot up flame shocks and get thus more lava surge procs.

There are several Elemental Shamans in the top 200 damage done on 25H Chim (the only single target encounter in the entire tier that I can think of?). So, I'd say there is plenty of evidence that Elemental damage on single targets is competetive with other classes/specs. Flame shock on a couple of targets is not even in the same ballpark as double dotting Moonkins, Spriests, impact, DK cleave, Rogue cleave, Warrior cleave, hunter cleave . . . probably could have saved time and just said any other class in the game.

If you actually go through world of logs and look at the the damage split between targets on each fight, the single target damage done to focus targets (the boss) is competetive. The inflated numbers other classes get are, in most cases, caused by cleave. There's no way a Shaman of any spec can keep up with Rogue cleave on Heroic Magmaw, Warlocks on Maloriak, Mages on Halfus. It's just the way classes interact with cleave.