i was hit with hunters at the time all i was playing. my friend got hit and she plays warlocks/druids only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shodokan
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i was hit with hunters at the time all i was playing. my friend got hit and she plays warlocks/druids only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shodokan
okay so it has nothing to do with IWT i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
So it's not IWT use/spam...
I've just received anotehr temp ban (72 hour) on 5 out of my 13 accounts while farming motes (jade temple water wierds). This time the ban was upheld and they said they would not lift it. So it's not just bans in PVP.
Account Action: 72 Hour Suspension
Reason for Action: Terms of Use Violation -- Exploitative Activity: Unauthorized Cheat Programs ("Hacks")
This suspension happened because one or more characters on this account were identified using an unauthorized cheat program, also known as a "hack.". These programs provide character benefits normally not achievable in the World of Warcraft. Such benefits include, but are not limited to, increased speed, teleportation, or running through walls/boundaries. Use of these unauthorized programs harm the game environment because they offer an unfair advantage over other players and superscede the intended limits of the game.
Follow up email:
Thank you for your follow-up email. An additional review of the previously communicated action taken against the World of Warcraft accounts on (emailremoved) has been completed. Unfortunately, we have confirmed our initial findings. The account action will not be reversed or amended.
I pvp regularly with a mixed group melee/casters, and I've yet to have a problem with any bans. I also play on a pvp server and have no problem camping the guys that killed me repeatedly while levelling, so I'm fairly certain I've been reported a fair number of times. I would start looking at the programs you are using to box, and the possibility they have a "feature" whether intended or not that could throw a flag. Have any hardware boxers been caught in the recent wave, or is it all software boxers?
I personally use HKN, not saying it's safe or immune, just trying to see if it's possible the reason for the account actions is related to software in any way. My apologies if this was already done, as I didn't read every single page of this thread. If we were able to find some correlating factor perhaps the author, or dev team for the software could be notified so they can remove/modify offending features or bugs. We don't really have many data points but I'm fairly certain this could be figured out, there has to be a common factor somewhere.
So I'll start...
HKN
melee and casters, no ranged (ie hunters)
IWT/CTM spam
priority casting, with FTL on select characters.
PVP during primetime bg's/arenas (central US) :: PvE world, dungeons, raid (LFR)
0 bans/suspensions
Personally, i do a bit concern the function "press and release".
I don't know... :/
This could be done with Addons back in Vanilla, not sure if it is still possible but I doubt this is the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by fcha
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Originally Posted by fcha
Press and release can still be done within the game today using a simple console toggle as I pointed out in this thread. I just did a quick test of it on one of my druids and it is still a functional command.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiding
Many have been mentioning the follow-up review email is just another form letter seemingly just automatically sent. But seems like everyone that has called in has had it fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro
I cancelled my 5 accounts at the release of MOP in anticipation of these pathetic actions demonstrated by the game administrators. When the Q into BG's was restructed it just gave me one of those feelings that Blizz would be structuring a list of random other issues to penalise players.
Most of us have played loyally for a long period of time - I have never used a cheat programme (nor would) and had often reported unual game behavious to the admin team to help keep the game healthy. Yet I read that many of you are simply banned for NO reason whatsoever - You pay for access to a service which allows for a level of respect to you as the client which does not appear to be demonstrated by Blizz.
To be honest in these situations - the client has the power - In New Zealand, the provider MUST provider just reason for any suspension or action towards a suspension prior to cancelling a paid service. If the provider is to cancel an account, they are legally required to send notification of cancellation in advance of the action (exception in case of criminal law offences).
I would assume that a similar consumer law protection act prosides in the United States? Regardless of the small print presented by Blizz, State/Federal/National laws override and internal policy of a business/client.
I refused to continue paying whilst the wider market offered more variety and a ZERO cost....this was my decision and I have not looked back at it one iota.
Blue post on the Warcraft forums and disregard the troll/flamers as the only important response if from Blizz management (not GM's)
If they Ban multiboxers for wall walking/teleportation/flying/ghosting then they need to prove it and ban PERIOD all use to make their state stick.
My thoughts
Tim (happy in Everquest again and other realms)
I saw quite a few of you got temporary suspensions and got worried. I sent a ticket to a gm and got a response seen here :
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5764/blizzardah.jpg
I think GMs are taking a more active role. Apparently I was reported as botting, a GM researched and noticed I was playing from Bermuda IP address when my account says I'm in Connecticut and locked my accounts (that's what the phone rep said happened). Not a ban, but it is the first time this has ever happened to me. After a couple phone calls I was able to get my account unlocked. There is increased focus on multiboxers, but it could just be the result of Blizz stepping up their game against bots and us getting caught in the crossfire.
Made a phone call yesterday afternoon and they said they would escalate. Received an email 8 hours later saying they will continue to uphold the ban. At this point I think I am just going to cancel my accounts because continuing to play just feels like gambling for a perminant ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
All I use is keyclone and jamba so I have no clue what the issue could be.
That's a terrible reply. The intent seems to be to imply that multiboxing is becoming "an issue" but stating it so ambiguously that he can later claim that he didn't say anything like that. I have yet to see Blizzard claim that what we do is a problem or "issue" in any context. Players have been complaining about the "unfairness" of multiboxing for years, and none of the complaints are new. None of the official responses to people who got their bans/suspensions overturned indicated that multiboxing was an issue aside from the possibility that they mistook it for botting. Maybe that GM is new?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andreauk
Maybe make a ticket and see what response you get?
Holy crap! Everything about that Gm's post is completely cockeyed. Where do they find these people?
reguarding pvp....
"...unfair to do burst damage and the other team cant fight back"
Did he seriously say that? What is the difference in getting cc'd and blown up by non boxed players.
and then the einstein comment on pve......
"...there are concerns of people who multi-box in dungeons not putting in full effort on all characters".....?
The exact thing can be said about solo players.
And I hope he meant to say "raids" instead of "dungeons". How do you box a 5-man and complete it....but not pull your own weight? 2box to 5box doesnt matter. Usually its the other way around.
AND THEN.....shouldnt his pvp comment make us VERY useful for pve situations???????
Very bad post and mindset by someone in charge of stuff.
If you'd like to voice your concern with a GM's reply:
WoWGMFeedback-US@blizzard.com
WoWConcernsEU@blizzard.com
Still going on eh?
I'm surprised. I figured by now they would have taken the toy away from the QQers in BGs that results in suspensions from /report spam.
Bud, the problem is the WoW community at large. They are predominately knobheads who see a multiboxer and start spamming the /report tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by heyaz
Until they take the toy away from the troll the problem won't go away.
They /report spammed before too. But Blizzard made the /report tool actually useful so yeah. There you go.
Are we 100% sure its connected to the /report tool?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
Its not click to moveQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
Its not interact with target
Its not being AFK (since they are doing damage/healing they are NOT afk)
What else COULD it be?
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Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
I believe so. The blues have been silent on it. There is really no other way they could have done this. Too much sophistication going other routes. I'm a software developer and in this regard I've thought it over and yeah.. they are using the playerbase and the /report tool to do this. That's why multiboxers are getting hit.
https://us.battle.net/support/en/art...sting-websites
They added an option to reporting players for cheating some time ago. And they bumped the usefulness of the /report tool in battlegrounds as well. The latter being very recently.
I saw a blue post on the issue a few weeks ago but the board is updated all day so the post is buried. For name reporting they are ditching it /dev/null. Everything else goes through some new filter auto monitoring tool they've developed. That tool is banning multiboxers. Its probably some basic arithmetic on average proximity to other players and sequence input. I don't think it works on having AFK status either.
Of the people that were banned, did any of you have mixed teams with uniquely different names?
I imagine if you all go in with xmog twins all named the same except é or whatever, then people are going to quickly report you.
But if you're getting banned for the less obvious boxing then maybe its not the /report tool, or maybe its only partially that. And I cant imagine more than a few people in a 40 man that reports you so it would be a very sensitive tool if that is the case.
I think GMs review the situation before issuing a ban. I know that when I was locked earlier this week it was because I was reported as botting or cheating which led to a GM reviewing the ticket which led to my account being locked due to my strange IP address.
What is most likely going on in Blizz hired a slew of new GMs that don't know what they're doing yet, combined with an increased focus on removing bots. Given that the last time I called I got through immediately and only had an 11 minute wait, I'm guessing I either got extremely lucky during prime time or Blizz is ramping up the customer service (and we are likely suffering due to ignorance).
More and more GM responses mentioning multiboxing as a concern, but that screenshot is the first one I've seen them mentioning the burst potential as a concern (contradicts all the blue posts). They do seem to have a concern about multiboxers not pulling their weight though.
I wonder if there is a correlation between constant suspensions and unsympathetic GM's mentioning multiboxing as a concern, and getting stomped in the BG's you play. Like bringing in an undergeared, nonviable comp and not being able to complete the objectives or getting farmed in the GY the whole game.
I almost want to try it out to see what happens, during WSG CTA. Bring in my most geared, best comp, and win, and then do games on a not-so-viable comp and get stomped. And see which set of accounts gets suspended more. I know which comp will get reported more, and which one will have a higher contribution, but I'm curious if that will make any difference in the actions taken against my accounts.
Your situation probably had particular flags on the incident. For regular /report stuff in BGs, I cannot imagine how they could process tens of thousands of reports manually and expect to have enough resources to get anything resembling a reasonable outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owltoid
They don't. They tried that for years and it got them nowhere. They would have to pay an astronomical amount of money to police the game that way. It would logically take 1 employee 8 hours to watch a handful of players. There are millions of players. Too much overhead involved in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
Warden was the right approach but it broke laws. So they couldn't go that route. Arithmetic is not going to work on its own either as players do things like spawn at a GY and autorun right to the enemy GY while watching television.
There has to be a middle ground and like blogs and forums, the developers of the game are using their subscribers to flag players for their new tool to ban. The tool with player input does what they think is fine. But players hate multiboxers so they routinely /report us. The tool is now being used as a weapon against multiboxers, not botters.
I see the random GM input as useless and unworthy of discussion. These guys are not publishers or developers of the game. The only useful input they have is canned.
So yeah they used to review these things, hence why ban waves would come in bunches every 6 months or so. Lots of records to look at! These off the cuff suspensions and bans are coming out of their new tool that is tied directly to the number of reports hanging over a character's head.
I'd be interested in knowing this as well. Also the odds of a player who runs an entire BG on their side being banned. If we knew for sure they weren't being banned then we know it is directly involving the /report tool for the knobs in game to abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
Last week I un subscribed all my accounts because of all the recent suspensions and bans and decided to check back to see if it was still happening. While everyone says and even blizzard says that multi-boxing is allowed, I have come to believe that they won't come right out and tell us that they don't want us boxing in BG's. They see it as an exploit where as one player has an advantage over other players. So that said I personally believe they will not fix this problem for us and force boxers out of the pvp part of the game. They will continue to keep saying that boxing is allowed, which it is technically but as long as you stay out of bg's and arena.
I logged onto my battle.net accounts today to see if the bans had been lifted as they said they were going to do. Because I would like to come back to the game when/if this problem is fixed and was surprised to see that all my accounts are now banned. Previously, when I unsubscribed only 2 had 3 day bans and I haven't played since. But in that time I did receive a message on a ticket that all my previous bans were un-banned. This is not the case, and even though I haven't played since I unsubscribed I have earned 3 new bans. Curious.... I have submitted a ticket to fix this, just in case they do fix the game so that boxers can pvp without fear of being suspended or banned.
I will keep updating as new information comes my way.
I have moved to Guild Wars 2 and am having fun with that game right now. I don't know if you can multi box it. But I opened a single account just to get a feel for the game. So far I am having fun with it.
I haven't bothered with GW2 as Dead Space 3 is due out next month and I still haven't finished up Borderlands 2. Throw a hectic work schedule on top of that and I have little time for WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percocet10n1
So yeah I'm with you here. Unsubbed all my accounts last night. But I have a month to go so I want to step into some random BGs and see if my mogged twins and like names get me banned right away. When I have time I'll check. Got 20 days left on the subs.
After the gm ticket response I posted earlier I would think that they no longer wish to tolerate it in pvp or instance situations, where for example (as I have seen before) some person who has no idea how to box drags a toon on raf behind on follow, while it contributes nothing to the group.
5 vs 5 a multiboxer should lose every time; but because people are terribly uncoordinated they normally don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percocet10n1
It would seem that you're really just jumping to conclusions with no real evidence besides what you're picking out of certain replies from these GM tickets. Anyone who's been in this 'scene' longer than a few months knows that GMs are usually full of shit and 1 out of 10 GMs have an actual informative answer when it comes down to something like this. Let's face it, if Blizzard wanted to remove multiboxing from any part of the game they'd just remove /follow; because any solo character can still fully function w/o the follow command, where as, a multiboxer cannot.
Maybe you could all ticket a gm asking about it so we can compare responses?
Consider that WoW GM is not a technical position. They aren't required to do any actual analysis. Frankly, I'm somewhat surprised they aren't outsourced to India yet.
wow, just wow...
> many players are complaining that it is unfair to come up against a group of 3-4 in a BG and have them all burst damage
so, better not play closely with friends in this MMO now, as 3 or 4 of you might all target one opponent who can then have you all suspended!
It's not why I left WoW but I sure as fuck am glad I did!
One thought - why not create some single-box teams where 5 of you all queue together and follow one leader, your spells all going to the leader's target etc, just to push the point!
still playing nonstop bg's as many of my friends are even "using OQaddon) two find two pugs for to make it a 5 man group or make new friends whatever. my last 36 hours i logged in all i done is nonstop bg's (capping conquest) and no more bans i have been reported many times and nothing as of yet since my ban over 4 weeks ago. so all this blizzard wants us out is not ture (i play at random times as well never the same same late AM sometimes late PM sometimes midday.
don't be scard to do something because of this. if i get banned again ill make sure it gets passed on to the right staff to sort out.
You mean, the old plan of gathering dozens of boxers each with a pitch fork or something similar, and storming the assorted Blizzard buildings to demand the righting of wrongs... isn't going to happen?
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Originally Posted by Shodokan
I find this method too easy: since its not ABC it has to be D. There is many behind the scenes stuff and we have no frigging clue how or what. But detection software in general works with pattern comparison. They compare A with the pattern of the bot data they have/caught, then B, then C, etc ... and multiboxers get caught in crossfire. It's really pure speculation. But apart from I think it's very unlikely that most people start to mass report multiboxers in bg's all in a sudden. and that this is the sole reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
They could compared for example how toons move, if a toon never actively goes right or left or forward it might lead to a false positive. The same with target acquiring. Not saying it's that, just saying that it's way too easy to jump to conclusions based on what we know.
Haven't seen it mentioned and i doubt all of us who have been tapped by the ban hammer have done this but could the suspensions be related to the 2 step?
Doubt that.
Khatovar posted that you can do two-step macros with the default Blizzard system, a few pages back in this thread.
They're not going to give suspensions for using a feature included in the base game.
Which should rule out suspensions based on CTM, IWT, etc.. too.