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Originally Posted by thedreameater
I tired RL once, but the grafx suxored! Now if i could 5 box RL, then i might still play it! I could get a lot more done! I would send the other 4 out to work while I stay home and play games!
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Originally Posted by thedreameater
I tired RL once, but the grafx suxored! Now if i could 5 box RL, then i might still play it! I could get a lot more done! I would send the other 4 out to work while I stay home and play games!
How would you know that you were the one who was playing, how do you know you wouldn't be one of the ones working! check under your eyelids!
also: i have shelved my accounts, too. I'm over WoW. They offer nothing interesting after a long wait for this expansion, and when only one of my teams works and the others are complete garbage, I can't stay interested sitting in game waiting for my 15 minute arena queue to pop only to find there's a frost mage, and he's going to solo my team. Or do rated BGs to find that the mage is now controlling my whole team while his druid buddy is capping my base..
on to bigger and better things.
Somehow I missed this thread until today and just read through the whole thing.
I'm very surprised. I'm still having a great time playing and am enjoying the PvE portion of the game. This expansion is definitely more challenging, figuring out all the new tradeskill upgrade paths cheaply is difficult, there is quite a bit to grind, rep takes a long time to get, heroics are probably too long, but these things make accomplishments that much more meaningful to me.
I think Blizzard has done a great job with this expansion. We were kind of like teenagers partying with the parents away during the last stages of WotLK, but they have added in so much depth with this expansion. Heck, I never even knew what half of my abilities were on all my different toons before, and I was soloing ICC! Now I have to actually CC, interrupt, dispel, purge, move with a purpose - it is like a whole new game. I'm not saying there weren't times of frustration, or that Blizz couldn't help us a bit by adding an epic to the final bosses in heroics, but the game does seem richer than it did before.
Tol Barad dailies, heroics, achieiving rep levels and the new gear that goes along with them, farming epics off mobs in BoT, figuring out how to down Argaloth in Baradin Hold - it all seems rather fun to me.
Anyway, I hope you guys find exciting things to pursue. And if not, that you find some of the fun in WoW I have when you come back!
Yeah, merc your PvE success is fantastic, and I know you work very hard at it, and I commend you!
I do not have any PvE aspirations, as we have talked about some in the past couple weeks, and for me, im not really skilled or motivated enough to start doing 10mans on my own again, or doing even heroics with any of my toons.
Although I'm far from it. I realy would want to be where Merc is now:) So I've got alot of work ahead of me!
Meh, I went ahead and canceled my accounts yesterday. I managed to make myself play twice since my last post, and even as I was making progress in heroics, actually completing several, I just can't be bothered with it anymore. I've got Dungeons coming out next week and LotRO is free to play. With any luck, things will become less sucktastick and WoW will draw me back in a few months, but there's no sense in paying for 5 accounts when all I do is list auctions.
Well add another multiboxer with canceled accounts.
heh, not that I was ready to though. This last winter storm, caused some severe Damage to my home, And even though, I had pipes insulated, they burst, including severe damage to my hot water heater.
So, I could tap into my Cow money, and then worry about debt in the spring, or I can cancel my wow accounts for a month or two, and take care of the problems now.
Being that I hate Debt with a passion (I'm the cheapest man alive, pay cash or do without kind of person), I choose to give up WoW for a few months.
Maybe the reports will be better come April, if not, than I'll have weened myself from the game anyways.
Best of luck to you all, and I'll still be here perusing the Hardware stuff, and cheering you all on for your accomplishments.
Stephen
I feel for ya, but couldnt you or maybe shouldnt you call your insurance company. My buddy just got 5500 claim for his basement which covered repairs, cleaning crew, new baseboards and carpet. This was a burst pipe just this past week.Quote:
Originally Posted by F9thRet
If he's talking about canceling WoW accounts for two months, that's what, $150 for two months as a 5-boxer in WoW. I suspect that's probably a lot less than his insurance deductible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
I was just going by the serious damage that he said was done. I have no idea the severity and if its worth it to put it a claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
Not a bad idea Fat Tire, But alas, there isn't an insurance policy anymore. I had bought the ranch and a small home about 8 years ago, just paid it all off.
Our friend Ugh, pretty much nailed it. Time in for the plumber came to about 225 bucks, and parts about 75.
It wasn't near as bad as I thought it would be, and given that, I'll loose just two weeks this month, (they expire around the 16th, )I'll be good to go next month. Still sound reasoning from both of ya guys.
Stephen
Mercurio, you are amazing! Just wanted to send some respect your way.
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C’mon, WoW, or running water… we all know what the logical choice is here! :p
lol...so true. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lpwned
Bump. 4.0.6 is live... I think :P
What’s new? Ele any closer to being viable again? That druid nerf bat kill all the dr00ds?
Everquest is opening another progression server next week. I have abandoned my Wow accounts and resubbed my EQ accounts to bang my head against the "classic EQ" wall. I am chomping at the bit to get going next Tuesday. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Khatovar
Not exactly killed, but Blizzard seems to be funneling all Druids towards playing Resto in Arena/Competitive PvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lpwned
Less bleed damage, but more raw damage... better chance to kill the target from burst.
So hitting harder while on the target, but for less damage from the physical dots when not on the target.
And aside from the Trinket, zero defense against Fear & Root effects.
Can still Powershift out of Snare, but that's only useful when running away... in combat any Snare we shift out of is reapplied constantly.
Balance can still break Roots, by Shifting into/out of Moonkin.
So technically, can Powershift.
But the lack of instant cast root, makes solo Boomkins very vulnerable.
Typhoon on round-robin, or Root (Druid A) + Solar Beam (Druid B) might be workable, boxing.
Eclipse is a really hard mechanic to take advantage of, in PvP.
Resto can break roots, with any shift into/out of any form.
Not a whole lot of changes in 4.0.6 for them.
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Originally Posted by SaraiE
If you have any BG/PvP aspirations, roll defiant... I have found the Guardians PvP just like Alliance, which no offense to any realm that is good, but Alliance seems to win 1/3 at best on any realm I have been on...
I just got around to reading this thread. I read it all at once and in its entirety its quite depressing.
I quit during bc because of the honor system changes. I quit during wotlk because at 73 i was sick to death of collection quests and had no pve groups to instance with. Both times i came back but i stayed away over a year the second time. Both times i came back the game had changed significantly, especially this last time. WoW today is not the same game it will be in six months.
Having said that, I have not seen any content in the game past level 73. My highest current team is 71. I am definitely not looking forward to the phasing, cut-scenes, and linear quest lines of the 80+ areas. From what ive read on here, they suck for boxers.
After i get my numerous toons to 80, the state of the game may be different but i doubt the linear quest chains will have been changed. I may end up leveling a paladin & 4 dk group or a 5x druid group to 85 just so i can do nothing but instances 80+ for the rest of the toons. I may just use those 85s to tank dungeons for all the other teams i have. Even that sounds mind numbingly boring though...
Added: i dont plan to farm instances for badges and i doubt i will even do heroics. What ive always liked most about wow is the bgs and world pvp (which lfd has all but killed). Im not going to farm crap when the next xpac is going to drop better quest geens on day 1 or give level 86 toons double hp. What i want to do is get back into bgs and do the old raids.
If world pvp is relatively dead, you can still take a group and go to an opposing city.
Or if that is too hard, pick a nearby smaller town and clear flight masters etc.., which will attract a smaller number of higher levels based on the chat from the lowbies.
If you're on a server with a couple of other boxers... well two or three 5-box teams, can really be nasty in the opposing auction house or whatever.
Even if you die repeatedly, it will inspire them to do the same.
And over time, you get the world pvp rekindled.
The 80-85 process might be rather linear.
But the gear upgrade is monumentally huge.
And the level up process does not take that long.
Which is a major plus.
Yeah, 80-85 is relatively fast. For sure you will want to go to each new zone as soon as you hit the right level for it. I think it's Deepholm at 82, Uldum at 83, and Twilight Highlands at 84. The experience boost from mobs and quests is pretty large from one zone to the next. So you can do a sort of 'fast track' by hitting each zone as soon as you ding, then if you want to finish the quests for any reason (like gold, or to unlock dailies) you can go back and finish them quicker at 85.
So… any of you thread hijackers have anything to say about 4.0.6? Sucks? No change? Awesome?
This thread can not go under 50 dps or it will explode. :)
4.0.6...
From the point of view of my favorite team... sucks.
Having played primarily with staggered Tremors or Berserk for the last couple of years... Fear bombs hit the Druids hard.
Root really sucks, as one toon can disable the team, for a time.
Honestly, I'd rather be rooted with the team all in one place, than feared and running all over the place.
Both nerfs suck, and have taken the fun out of the team.
Decided to try Boomkin on them...
The honor grind blows at this point, without any PvP gear to speak of.
And running Feral is pretty painful, when Fear or Root destroys the team.
Feral is less painful; but have to ask myself if it is worth it.
Druids have no protection against Fear.
Might be able to A: Entangling Roots; B: Solar Beam or something similar..
And eventually they get sick AoE.
Pretty much, Fear is horrible to deal with; one AoE fear screws most teams over.
So personally I want compositions that have some fear protection, as a main criteria.
That leaves: Shaman (Tremor), Priests (Fear Ward), and that's about it.
I'm tempted to go with DK's/Priest, as the lead toon can Mass Dispel the DK's... and DK's hit hard... but the team doesn't have a lot against fear.
And Blizzard has shown, it doesn't give a shit about balance and is happy to nerf anything into the ground; is another grind of honor gear worth it?
Haven't done much with my Shammies.
Thinking of trying them as Resto x5, support role.
Not sure that will be fun for long, but it is different.
Tremor x5, on round-robin, as a raid-wide fear break.
They should be decent against fear.
Ditto for root, as heals don't require facing.
Grounding vs Casters.
Searing/Magma/Fire Nova vs Melee.
See how Earth Shields do for survivability.
With 5x Healing Stream Totems, and Healing Rain AoE thing.
5x Earth (10-mins) and 5x Fire (5-mins) Elementals, are the big buttons.
Priests are 75th, and the PvE portion will be easy, as quests always are.
Being 85th, will qualify them for the next Alchemy transmute in the next expansion, assuming I'm playing wow then.
They're Disc x5, which has been drastically improved but not sure how strong it is.
Fear Ward, for the first fear, which would be 8-sec max.
Human Racial the second fear, which would be 4-sec max.
The third fear can land, but that is 2-sec max and then they're immune or 30 sec.
Fear Ward is available every minute (glyphed) and Human Racial every 2 minutes.
Penance x5, Smite, Holy Fire, SW: Pain, Devouring Plague, Mindblast, SW: Death.
Not the best offense, but a lot of options from two different schools.
Not sure how 5x Shadow would run.
But even with the pre-4.0.6 Feral nerfs, a priest would almost always survive the full Dispersion duration.
wow...
2600 pages, of posts of people who have quit warcraft.
Read the first page, but that is it.
That site has been around for 2+ years. I visited that site a year ago and most posts were sad, one guy left a suicide note on that site. They had suicide help lines posted for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ualaa
Jesus. I was about to start cracking the jokes until I read that. Poor guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
Long term solution to a short term problem.
DAMET! Now i'm partaking in the hijacking of my thread!
Oh well, doesn't look like Bliz has any plan to fix the heap of junk.
4.0.6 Break Down PVP. (3v3 single toon point of view)
Shaman:
Ele still shit
Enh mediocre/good
Resto decent
Druid:
Balance Decent
Feral Good
Resto Overbuffed / Endless mana.
Paladin:
Prot - Meh it's prot it has comps that work
Ret - Good
Holy - Meh / Mediocre compared to other heals.
Priest:
Shadow - Good
Disc - Good
Holy - Oddly enough is working out fairly well. More in 2s, but I've seen some in 3s.
Hunter:
Surv - Meh
BM - Meh
Marks - Good maybe overbuffed
DK:
Blood - i guess you can roll blood if you have the right comp haven't seen too many serious teams rolling a blood dk.
Unholy - Retardedly good.
Frost - Lots of burst kite kite kite (if you can).
Rogue:
Sub - Good
Mute - Good
Combat - They still around?
Lock:
Affliction - Amazing
Destro - Medicore
Demo - Meh
Mage:
Arcane - With the strat train the mage I wouldn't even try it.
Fire - has potential seeing more
Frost - overnerfed their burst is minimal... control is still there, but you can effing jump ring of frost now it is lolzie. CC changes and Burst Changes = good luck landing kills unless you have a good partner/coordination.
Warrior:
Prot - I think prot war days are over.
Arms - Still decent
Fury - On the rise they are doing a lot of dmg.
Ualaa DKs can use their lichborne when feared or go UD and use the racial. ALso if you see it coming you can go anti-magic shield.
I watched the video from the wowdetox site and read a few pages of posts. I came away a bit confused. The site seems to assume playing WoW means you are socially inept, have a really difficult life, are a jerk when you play, and have a hard time dealing with real-life situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lpwned
To me, finding fun and fulfillment in your leisure time is something to be proud of, not something to be ashamed of. So many others have difficulty with leisure time and spend it watching TV, drinking too much, messing up their relationships with girlfriends in revloving door relationships, sitting around being bored or depressed, posting hate on political forums, or avoiding leisure time entirely by being a workaholic.
I understand WoW can be unhealthy if taken too far, but as long as you are having success at work, in your marriage, in your health, and in serving others, I think having fun with WoW is just another success.
I see many people who are dissatisfied with things, but I look up to those who can find pleasure in things as they are (even with all their imperfections).
The wowdetox site seemed to be filled with people who failed at finding fun in WoW. Unlike the posts made by members here, the wowdetox posters seemed to be taking it particularly hard. Based on the video and their posts, I think that this failure was indicative of their inability to find any joy with life in general. Looking at that site just makes you sad.
Ualaa if you run a DK team do a pally healer. A priest healer gets ass raped. Trust me! Just having a pally there keeps people from focusing you because they know you can bubble. Your priest will die in seconds when they focus it. Trust me I have both a pally and a priest healer. With the DK's you have AMS, LIchborne, and Trinket to break or prevent fear. The worst thing on the DK's are roots.
This pretty much sums up my attitude towards WoW too - I have no problem telling people what I do with my leisure time, because it's exactly that, MY time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercurio
Playing WoW has not turned me into a basement dwelling social leper, nor has it had a detrimental effect on my job - actually it's a talking point with some colleagues and customers. Even my boss (who is not a gamer) knows I play and will occasionally call me "Leeroy" or "Jenkins" in some good natured ribbing. :D
I definitely understand how the game can lose it's shine for some - I took a break myself in the lead up to Cata, and have only recently jumped back in, and I'm now enjoying leveling another set of toons through the revamped content. But like many others have said, if you aren't enjoying it, then you should stop playing or take a break. After all, your toons will still be there if you ever decide to come back...
Cheers,
S.
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Originally Posted by Mercurio
We are a special bread. That’s not an arrogant statement, as I’m not saying we are a better bread, just that we are different.
The trap is there, and it’s an easy one to fall into if your life is tough. If you are in a high pressure guild then the trap is the overwhelming need to get gear. Sooner or later you start sacrificing small things like hanging out with your friends on this one day to play wow. Those small things build up.
Before you know it, you are my old guildy, who has been playing non-stop every day of his life for the last 4 years. He has nothing else to do… He doesn’t even remember what else there is to do. He suffers extreme headaches from sitting in front of a screen all day, and his social life is his contact with his guild members. I can only imagine that his physical health is poor. Physical health is important for mental health. You could forget how to live, and depression could become a serious problem.
The members on this forum are unique in a few ways, the main one being our empty care-o-meter when it comes to other player’s opinions of us. No pressure. The second; most of us started boxing because we were bored with Solo. You don’t get bored of solo if you have fallen into the above trap.
And lastly, from everything I have learned from you guys, we have very diverse lives for WoW players. I’m a WoW player who takes a 600cc Death machine at 120MPH down a race track every other weekend. I could be way off, but that’s not the first image that comes to mind when I think of a stereotypical WoW player ;)
I feel for anyone who fell into the trap that is WoW. I can see how it could lead to suicide.
/cast [target=thread] Derail
Yep. If the site helps some people overcome a habit that is hard to drop, good for them. But I read those short testimonials and I can't help thinking that the problem that many of them have has nothing to do with WOW. WOW isn't the cause, it's a symptom. Most of them will either return to WOW or find another pastime that will take up countless hours with no return on time invested. And from that point of view, I'm not sure that a site that allows them to wallow in "group self pity" is a good idea, and might be worse for some of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercurio
I used to have a friend who dropped out of college and then kept quitting his jobs so he could play wow and dota. I remember visiting him at his house, trash and clothes everywhere, sink smelling of rot, empty soda cans stacked 10-15 high next to his computer.
He was so addicted he just couldn't get up and walk away. Lucky for me the only thing I have lost is sleep some nights playing wow.
Please tell me you was able to get him some help.Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaplus
Stephen
There were times that I thought I was bad. Losing a couple hours of sleep, and the very odd all nighter.
But shit, some of the people on that WOWDetox site make me seem like the casual. I care far too much about my job, girlfriend, and the night out at the pub.
I am going to get back to that WoWDetox site to boost my self esteem some more, haha.
I've just finally run out of hope. Hoping that Bliz would get round to fixing problems instead of introducing new ones in the process of making a half-assed attempt at fixing existing ones.
XP locked BGs sounded like a great idea at the time, then they made the BGs need full teams for queues to pop, and suddenly they stopped popping. Now they merged the battlegroups it turns out the queues have been totally f-ed up from the start, with a 20 man BG needing 30 in the queue to pop. It's no wonder smaller groups are having problems getting games, and everyone is getting crap queues, when 1/3 of the people queued aren't going to get in, unless they wait the entire duration for the next BG to start.
RealID sounded like a good idea too, but if you can't do diddly with a RealID friend on another server besides chat, what use is it? It would do wonders for cross realm LFD if you could add as friends the few people you meet who you do want to play with again, and group up with them in future, instead of sufferring yet more randoms.
War Games too suffers from an incomplete implementation of what RealID could have been. It would have worked so much better if all the people on the continent could have grouped up as they want, and got games with just the kind of people they want to play with. Result, no-one complaining about overgeared heirloomed players farming their way round low level BGs. No problems with BGs filled with bads or farmers, just a social game where people can do things together, in social groups, instead of being anonymous, split up over several servers, or stuck playing with people they'd rather not group with at all.
Seems Bliz are more interested in keeping all the botters, afkers, leechers, griefers and hackers, and forcing everyone else into playing alongside them whether they want to or not, simply because they're paying customers too, then keeping all the profits while they do a half assed job of 'developing' the game, or rather developing features that look good in theory, and in marketing, but rarely live up to the hype in practice..
I've yet to see WoW really develop in any aspect despite hoping it would for a few years now. It comes to something when the tactics for a dungeon boss at the highest level read 'Just like <insert boss from vanilla dungeon>', and the one place where you PvP with equal gear to everyone else, and entirely for fun instead of for XP, honor, gear, rating or achievements, is the least supported by developers or the majority of players who worship them and the constantly imbalanced grindfest.
So yeah, 5 accounts being cancelled here too.
ummmm, yup. What you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mukade
I actually phoned Blizz to let them know I was done because of the a) linearity of the cata quests, b) 4.0.6, c) less than optimal pvp implementation (bg/arena cause I played on a care-bear server), d) honour boon-doggle early on. They actually seemed pretty interested in why I was leaving and that I was a boxer. Who knows if they'll do anything about it, but at least they seemed interested.
Has anyone else talked to them?
toonarmy
edit: minor grammar correction