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Originally Posted by WOWBOX40
If you continue to talk about how you want to automate gameplay and engage in RMT, you're going to receive a vacation from this forum. Discussion of either of these topics is against the rules of this forum, and you will find no assistance on this site for such activities. After all these years, I still find it fascinating that players will come to this forum, openly discuss such endeavors, and then act clueless about it all, as if the lack of automation, botting, hacking, and RMT threads on this site, wasn’t a dead giveaway.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOWBOX40
My recommendation is that you walk away from this thread, as I doubt there’s anything else that you can say, at this point, which would reflect positively upon yourself or your gameplay ethics.
I do standstill farming almost every day - normal a hour a time - getting bored very fast - sometimes it´s the tv is running other time I stream my game play.
I don`t see what could be wrong with that - single player or group are doing the same farming same place.
How can standstill farming/simi afk farming be more wrong than people useing TSM snipper ?????
Only one that I know who had a ban/suspension is pechthefarmer - farming 3-4 hours a day (never ask him what happend)
https://www.twitch.tv/pechthefarmer
Just because X has the ability to do Y, doesn't mean you SHOULD ACTUALLY DO IT.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOWBOX40
e.g.
My car has the ability to kill people, like real dead, if I chose to use it in that particular way. Does it mean I should do that?? No it does not. Why? Because it's against the rules.
What about if nobody noticed I was killing people with my car. Should I do it? Again, still a No. Why?, because it's against the rules.
If I do go round killing people with my car, and get caught doing it, should I then whinge about it, and say it wasn't my fault I didn't do nothing? NO, I should take the punishment owing to me, and not effin whinge about it, because I broke the rules.
Did you watch the video? The question is not whether or not a stand-still farm is OK. No one is saying it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin
What we're talking about is whether you're really actively playing the game if, for example, you'd be playing a completely different game and have those same inputs trigger a farming "routine" for a wow client (or clients) somewhere in the background with you having 0 focus on those, to the extent that you might not even realize your character had died/DC'd/ whatever hours ago and you'd still just keep spamming the same commands to them.
whaaaaattt??
You mean I'm not playing the game if I'm catchin catfish in the bayou, but I still have my dippy drinking bird hitting the keys for me?
But I set up Dippy in the right position. Does that not count?
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Originally Posted by Wubsie
Also, im a very sorry MiRai, it was a slipup rant tirage of frustration and i wont mention it again.
Wubsie, what you said is actually very reassuring for the game and is a excellent method to discover illigal activities i think.
I mean, if Blizzard wish to test if someone is doing something illigal and being afk, them killing off random characters, teleporting them around, disconnecting them etc, and then notice that commands are still being sent as if nothing has happended (for how long they allow it, we dont know i guess, but for hours is definitely a clear indication of foul play) ----> possible ban.
I did manage to find this interesting read ragarding the keyboards. Its a long one.
https://infernix.net/wowban/
Update:
Blue replied today, maybe some more answers will follow.
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17618421692
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Originally Posted by Jabberie
Update:
Blue replied today, maybe some more answers will follow.
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17618421692
I did see the video and questions - and I don`t agree in all his point on Unethical Gameplay or how the game has to be played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wubsie
- I don`t think any has 100% focus on the game if they are standstill/simi afk farming. It bee us as multiboxer or the goblin farming for a pet.
- It`s has nothing to do with time - is 1 hour off focus more bad than 5 min. you still not looking at your game.
- TSM snpping your toon standstill for hours at the AH and you are doing stuff on your main/watch tv or what ever - and you only focus on that toon when you hear the sound go off, is that Unethical Gameplay?
I´m still hitting my keys, doing my ingame marcos - but when useing a Autoclicker to send you keys press it`s the same as botting and is not ok.
The MVP sums up your attempt pretty well. It's like asking the IRS how Cayman island bank accounts work. (I'm tired, can someone give me a better analogy?)Quote:
Originally Posted by WOWBOX40
1- there is a difference between lack of focus and outright ignoring something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin
2- there is, massively, a difference between 1 hr and 5 mins. ties into point 1.
3- that is literally standing skill doing nothing but running a scan waiting on the buzzer to then change window and physically do something to the AH window. Not the same as standing still and doing a collection of spells and abilities.
Going to step back from this thread now cause I can't tell if people are just trolling now or .....
You: "Can I automate key presses?"Quote:
Originally Posted by WOWBOX40
Blizzard: 'No."
You: "What if I only do it some of the time? Are you able to detect if I only do it some of the time?"
You're done. When you return, do not post in this thread.
I'm not saying you need to have 100% focus on the game and nothing but. Plenty of people watch movies, streams and whatnot while playing. However they still have a level of focus on the game as well. In the situations we're talking about there is next to none. The player is either nearly, or completely disconnected from the game and unable to react to even basic stimuli for extended periods of time. This is not the same as briefly talking to your stream, or watching a movie on a secondary monitor while playing where your focus most likely jumps back and forth between the 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin
It has everything to do with time, and naturally the intent of gaining benefits without having to 'suffer' the work normally required. I don't think anyone would claim that you can not do anything apart from playing while you are playing. If my fiance walks in and wants to talk about something for a minute or 2, you bet your ass I'm pulling off my headset and focusing on the conversation with her, even if I am still hitting keys, if for example I was mid fight. I don't think anyone would claim that this would be somehow ban worthy. I don't see how you're able to draw an equals sign between this and creating a system where you are more or less completely disconnected from the game but still reaping the benefits of playing, plausibly for hours on end. It's just not nearly the same thing. Just because it's hard to quantify the amount of time and focus needed to be considered to be actively playing with specific numbers does not mean there isn't an important disctinction between the two situations and I don't think it's possible to hide behind the whole "it's still my keypresses doing it" in these scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin
I'm not too familiar with TSM Snipe, but my understanding is that it scans the AH for auctions listed substantially under market value and informs you off any it finds, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin
The difference here is that for the addon to do it's work, it requires no action from you, apart from doing the purchase. The time you are not focused on your character, essentially nothing is happening. Additionally the Add-on runs in the LUA "sandbox" that Blizzard has left for addon developers. If they deem it to be destructive or too automated, they can simply change the environment the addon runs in to not allow this functionality. This is not the case with the farming setups we're discussing here.
I'll be withdrawing from this thread too since I do not like the direction it is heading...
This and various forms of it are pretty common. It's interesting to me how frequently this (to me) simple statement is so often met with confusion, consternation, and complaints.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
I liken it to fishing. Consider the design. The bobber jiggles within a time window the most often you cast a lure. So it's just basic sense to cast, look away, count and then click the bobber sometime after hearing the splash.
The game design makes for lazy or unethical play. Not the other way around.
But you do pay attention to it otherwise you miss your window.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
Damn it, I said I wouldn't post in here again... GRRR
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Originally Posted by Jabberie
Actually I just listen for the audible cue. Then I click on all of them ~1 second or so later. That gives the one that notified me enough time and some others to catch up. Not the cleanest but it's better than staring at a bobber the whole time. I thought it was a good example of what we were talking about here =D.
You have already paid more attention to the game than some in this thread by doing it your way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
Every person I come across who claims that the game promotes this unethical gameplay is, I am fairly confident, a botter/cheater/exploiter in some fashion and is just trying to convince themselves they are doing nothing wrong. "It's Blizzard's fault not mine!". Who do you think you're fooling?
Those who do bot and dont care about their accounts are fully aware that they might be banned anytime if caught "offguard" so to speak. The chances of getting caught though are slim it seems. And if you are caught, it also appear you usually only get banned in their 6 months to a year banwave. You could have earned a lot during that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritley
Me f.ex ive been farming often since around october last year. I just dinged 680 mill gold earned thru selling the items on the ah. Yes you did read that right. Ive spent lots on "selfplay" raid and pvp boosts etc. Almost 30k "nerdpoints" now. Not sold 1 gold even. I care about my accounts. Im also at 430 mounts collected. I obviously dont want to loose my accounts.
If i did bot i certainly wouldnt post here and if shit did happen, it would be easy to buy new legion games which include a lvl 110 on each. I wouldnt cry about it if i botted and got banned.
Why did you quote me just to go off on one of your tangents and not respond to what I wrote in any fashion whatsoever? Another great post by WOWBOX40. Congrats on your gold and mounts bud.
When I start a mythic I turn auto-fire on and it does not get turned off until the dungeon is done. I have never worried about it because I put /stopmacro [nocombat] at the top of every macro.
Blizzard never said anything about it to me, but I am also physically sitting at the keyboard frantically watching the monitors and actively pressing various other keys and footpedals while constantly moving around.
Thats the thing John. They never take contact, since that will inform you that they are watching you. This could give you a chance to alter your "what you could be doing" to try remain undetected. Instead they give you a ban 6 to 12 months later, whenever the next banwave happens. If you manage to stay "under their radar" for a solid 1.5 years, i would conclude your "plan" works well.
Sidenote... i just realized that there arent that many different posters on this forum in general. I thought the community was bigger tbh. Ohwell, maybe most are just quietly lurking around ;) /cough botters /cough j/k, i have no idea.
Signal to noise ratio is excellent around here. Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by much more fundamental concepts. My engineering team at work averages about 4 replies per email thread. Our Marketing team averages 12, largely because of the "Thanks!" or "OIC" replies that have exactly zero intellectual value.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOWBOX40
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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
LOL @ "OIC" brings back good memories of days in EQ with my buddy Glouns.
/thumbs upQuote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
this topic still going.
here a topic i found form the gsse dev
https://wowlazymacros.com/forums/top...hin-grey-line/
This is from that link:Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
This is how I use it and feel a bit better seeing that statement.Quote:
What we know is that when these tools are used to remove the RSI (Repetative Strain Injury) inducing behaviours of spamming the same keyboard button over and over. No one has been banned for using these tools in this behaviour.
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Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
the problem is when u do that with a useless paper wight, and go afk on a stand still farm
Unrelated to the thread but for RSI I found the patu forearm rests to be a life saver. They work by suspending the tendons responsible for hand/finger movement in air while your arm weight rests towards your elbow or the fat of the forearm. After using them for a month my hand pains were completely gone.
The way desks are made is actually horrible for your hands and RSI because the tendons responsible for hand and finger movement run down your forearm. When you rest your palm or wrist against a desk you are limiting their movement while demanding motion. This is very damaging. This can also be done by using a vertical mouse which forces your fat side of the forearm down instead of the tendon side.
Notes attached to the accounts exist.
It's an issue on EU realms as blizzard's policy is to have everything logged in English. A german playerA and german speaking GM, once the ticket is resolved anything noteworthy will be attached to PlayerA's account (in English). If playerA opens another ticket, or is reported and the answer is in the notes attached to the account? Well the new German speaking GM might not understand english so there is a lot of mistranslations/errors.
This of course doesn't happen on the NA/Oceanic realms as often-- however the responding GM can ignore the notes and issue a suspension. Second GM reviewing it (at the players request) will see this, correct it, apologise to the player and GM1 will get a slap on the wrist if it's the first time making the mistake.
Take my ban a few months ago. I did the 'stand still' farming. I called in a few solid IOUs to find out (after I was unbanned) just wtf went wrong. The economic exploitation team (just a name i'm using) were the ones that investigated me and ultimately perma banned me. When I proved I didn't sell gold, my ban was upheld on the grounds of using third party software (botting). This again was done by the economic team-- not the department that investigates the use of illegal third party software. I was ignored on account A, so I went on account B and gave ALL the information regarding what I did and how I did it. The GM in charge of handling account B sent it to the department that has the tools, to see just exactly what I was doing (warden log and so on). It took them 8 hours of me opening the ticket to have A L L 32 accounts affected to be reinstated (along with gametime and a bonus mount as a sorry)
The Surveys you are requested to fill out after the ticket has been resolved DO MATTER. Any low scoring survey NEEDS to have the 'offending' GM fill out why it was poor score-- it's then reviewed by someone above him to make sure everything is legit.
I happily farm in one spot for hours (if i'm motivated) while watching TV, playing alts, playing another game.. while keypresses are sent to my farming party. I have amazing multi-tastking so i'm constantly checking and am able to respond to any ingame 'checks'. However-- I am not engaged in it at all. It's definitely not how blizzard envisioned it. BUT if 'they' thought it was a problem? it would be hotfixed straight away.
EXAMPLE. Patch 8.0 hits, you can do the LFR Dragonsoul solo/in your own group; just like the old pandaria scenarios- you queue up for it. If you multiboxed you could take one character to this NPC, queue up with all your characters, zone in and then proceed to kill all the trash without hitting the boss. It would net you 1.3k + vendor trash in less than a minute PER CHARACTER. Simple leave group, re-queue and do it again. Some boxers were making 600-900k an hour. This was a semi-lowkey farm that was just accidently added... it was fixed in under 3 hours.
I don't agree with it being unethical. To me it's the same as all the pvpers running XyZ comps which were strong and achieved decent PvP rankings 'back in the day' (I did this too). We have advantages and many disadvantages. In MoP I ran my own Flexi raids because my family/friends quit and I hated the idea of playing with randoms. Everything i've done as a multiboxer IS going against the 'spirit of the game' if you will. It is a hard one to answer isn't it.. we all have our own ideas of what is good form and not.