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Originally Posted by MiRai
using such add-ons can lead to severe account penalties!
Just to clarify.
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Originally Posted by MiRai
using such add-ons can lead to severe account penalties!
Just to clarify.
You're right, I remember those AV Preform Enabler ban waves Blizzard has every few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
I have never been banned for cheating or botting so that argument is irrelevant. I am talking about the reputation of the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
Good guy Fat Tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
Yup. We can hope blizzard starts to ban individuals who consistently circumvent the queue system.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
Nice edit btw
Thanks. It's not a secret that it's been edited because everyone can see that information publicly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
Right, but they cant see what was edited only that it was edited by you correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
Unless you have further information to add to the thread, please stop de-railing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
Talk of oQueue is welcome here until further notice.
queuing at the same time will still happen am sure off it. In till they change the hole Queuing system to be random and not just who press JOIN 1st this xpac? or next xpac no one will knows.
AV Preform Enabler Only got to a prob when users find out you cloud do it with battle tags/real Id grouping. Before that it was a very very small group off players on a server and to be fair even blizzard did not care that much about it. thats why the for six years we never had a prob with addons like this.
or wow just turned into a cry baby's over the years in pvp. infect i think even a blue post said no one going to be happy with pvp when there's only one spell left in the game AUTO attack.
The prob is how far are blizzard going to take it? they banned this addon whats next all pemade groups? a ten man when half the BG is pemade is uinfair in a random......
A) all pemades have to do RBG. ( i can see this as blizzard love them there a joke win treading steamrolled by full gear played with a low rating Nothing for losing only winning!)
B) all pemades will be vs Pemades only! (to be fair might as well do the top choice)
And then there QQ about us in pvp am sure we are next on the UNFAIR list!!!!!!!!! But hey they remove pemades from randoms then back to point A we car't que for a BG as the system will not que us togaver (full new random pvp queing system is in place) no addon no pemade joining we stuck to RBG's. or pemade vs pemade. (that might as well be RBG)
this is what pvp in bg's will be like in the next 6 months!
The game is, and for quite a while has been moving towards, the lowest common multiplier.
The entire addon system has immensely simplified the game.
An addon can tell you when a boss is going to be doing something, and that you should move away.
If can highlight when a debuff is on a target that you should cleanse.
You can repeatedly click a button, and have it reapply your buffs.
In Everquest, prior to addons (if there are addons now, not sure)...
You would buff yourself and then the Melee.
A different Enchanter would buff themselves and then the Casters.
When your buff was getting low, it would be your responsibility to recast the buffs before they expired.
You would have to watch how the boss emoted.
Or time that 37 seconds after the adds show up the boss does his AoE move that kills anyone within range.
By playing to the masses, and making content doable by everyone... Blizzard has become immensely successful.
That said, PvP (a war between the Alliance and the Horde) is not necessarily balanced.
Nothing is ever going to be equal in every regard.
One player is going to be better than another, one might enchant better or glyph worse or reforge while another does not.
Tradeskills will be different, with varying bonuses.
One side will cooperate and the other won't.
There might be 75% bots on one side.
One side might have two healers out of forty characters, while the other side has eleven...
Are you implying that Blizzard is uninterested in the "hardcore" PVP crowd and/or they're trying to drive the "hardcore" PVP people into Arenas/RBGs exclusively while leaving the normal BGs to the Great Unwashed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ualaa
It appears that Prepared is now using oQueue. He managed to get several perfect 40-boxed queues in a row with it. Good times.
My only concern is whether or not Blizzard is putting in time to fix the real problems with the game, instead of silly stunts like trying to break premade addons.
I agree. I wish they would stop wasting time on stupid shit like this and worry about important things, like month long bugged quests, class balance, or actually getting some GMs to JOIN a BG and SEE the sheer number of bots in there... my god!!Quote:
Originally Posted by EaTCarbS
I’ll try to break it down as clearly as I can:
Any addon that enables a full, organized Battleground group to queue against a randomly assembled group is creating a scenario where that coordinated group has a huge advantage. That is not in the spirit of the experience we want to provide in the normal Battleground queue. Playing with friends is fun and important, but it shouldn't come at the expense of the spirit of the game nor the fun of others.
The normal Battleground queue is for players to jump in and play against other players in a similar situation. We realize that it's not a perfect system, and we're still looking at ways to improve normal Battleground queues further. Regardless, it's not meant for organized groups to "pug stomp" and get quick Honor. We have built in outlets for players that want to organize--if a competitive, social experience was really the goal, then there are clear ways to achieve that.
The ultimate effect that this kind of queuing has had is to drive players away from PvP. Perhaps it's been a long time since you've been in a random group, but a lot of players will see that they're up against a premade and simply quit. At best, they suffer through it. To an extent premade groups count on this. Heck, one of the popular addons announces opposing players that appear to have rage quit.
Addons aren’t really a viable solution for botting issues, but we do take those issues seriously and we'll continue our work on improvements to the Battleground system, including better ways to deal with botting and other exploitative gameplay.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...052820?page=11
Because "Pug Stomping" is a huge issue. Good call bliz.
Economy-In toilet
World-Large radiation leaks and explosive sinkholes, Mass murders (Egypt), Fake wars
Wow-A pay to play app for you Ipad, and will probably be a Facebook ap soon.
I think we are close to the end my friends. Wow is becoming a complete dictatorshiped game w/ no creativity. Everything is the same, people want to cry for fairness because this is not COD. The WoW ship looks like its taking water and sinking fast. I never here of anyone talking about xpacs or raiding anymore like they used to. I might be moving to planetside myself.
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Originally Posted by candlebox
You are some kind of whack job.
I do remember a time when you had to bring mages for clearing the trash, rogues for the boss fights, and palis for the buffs. Nowadays it does seem like you can replace any one class with another and you will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by candlebox
I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing, pros and cons for everything.
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Originally Posted by Vrakthris
Taken from this thread: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...age=1#new-post
Of course, this is from over a year ago. Clearly, they have changed their stance since then.
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Originally Posted by Takralus
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3389171453?page=22#425
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Originally Posted by Vrakthris
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4422092414#15
Next up: Blizzard requires access to your phone records and Skype logs before allowing you to queue for BGs to make sure you're playingin the spirit of the experience we want to provide in the normal Battleground queue.
Do these people even think before they react?
i admit the rage quit thing was a bit over the top, but was neat, however prepared using oq will bring more harm than good IMO
I enjoyed some easy honor rath strat about 6 months ago. I was fun but it wasn't challenging in the least. I also played against rath strat where I was actually on the other team's vent and could hear their strategy. No matter how fast I typed and told the pug I was in where the group was going and how to react we still were demolished.
I find it amazing the peeps here are upset at this change. The change makes total sense and blizz should make a stance against fully coordinated pre meditated pugs. There IS an option for organized pvp, it's just that those in rath strat really aren't that good and they would get demolished against another premade.
The ones crying about the new change are the same ones crying that twinks with exp turned off can't queue with regular players. Basically, it's the ones crying that you took away their iwin button and they may have to play as intended.
I completely agree, and the qq that they broke the addon is no different than the qq single players use vs boxers. But there is one thing though: organized casual pvp does not exist, except wargames but they don't allow you to progress you character (i.e. they don't yield an honor reward). Rated bg's is all about maintaining your rating and that prevents people from queuing up with randoms once above a certain rating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owltoid
What's missing is a premade random bg queue. Same like the twink queue.
I think we're treading on dangerous ground. The more blizz looks at the current system the more they may reevaluate. I could see a system made for solo players and a system that groups together any teams that queued as a party or raid. Even two players that want to play with each other would go into this pug of premades type system. That would also decrease the botting issue. What that would mean is us boxers would always be going up coordinated groups (more accurately a group of oordinated teams, where a 15 man may be full of a 10 man raid, a 2 man party and another random 3 man party) - not that fun when you're trying to grind gear with multiple toons.
The above may sound hypocritical to what I posted earlier. The difference is that multiboxing comes with disadvantages and pugs can still win. I'd be willing to guess that 90% of multiboxers actually hurt their teams chances instead of help. That is a different scenario than fully premade "pugs" that virtually have no chance of losing and no disadvantages.
I could see this as a fix to the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
However, if they made this change it could mean unintended consequences for muti boxers who like to join together and farm bots and fresh lvl 90s with the occasional coordinated group opponent. I am willing to bet that the premade vs premade queues may be hot to start but fade into never getting queues. Because as a solo player I am guessing randoms are just easier.
Hell blizzard would be able to kill off muti boxers in random bgs also with this change, its a win win for them.
Exactly, Fat Tire. That's why I said we are going down a dangerous path. It would suck if Rath Strat and oQ were the genesis of the downfall of random BGs for multiboxers. If they did make the change to have BGs for groups then all we can hope for is it only applies to raids. If they kill queuing as a party (by forcing any party of 2-5 to play against other organized parties) then I know PvP is dead for me.
If they allowed everyone honor gear at the start of every new season, I think people would still solo/premade randoms for fun/achives without the stress of going up against either premades or full geared opponents just to gear their character enough to start arena/rbgs. Then I dont think people would care as much about oqeue or whatever.
I think it would get rid of the bots immediately.
That won't happen with honor gear to start. A big draw to the game is always thinking everything will be golden once X is accomplished. For example, I'll be awesome once I get full honor, or PvP weapons. That keeps people subbing. The longer they can dangle the carrot the more money blizz makes. I know if I had full gear right now and it wasn't working, my subs would be canceled. However, because I don't know what I can accomplish and I'm optimistic it will lead me to playing for at least another month while I grind it out.
Fair enough. An alternative would be lowering of the cost of honor gear or greatly increasing the amount of honor gain. There has got to be a happy medium. There are alot of people who dont enjoy randoms and are forced to play to gear up enough to start arena/rbg. Its the main reason I have *otted myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owltoid
They could make the crafted pvp gear equal to the honor gear. Would fix a lot of crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
you nailed in on the head and i said this is there plan a few times on this page )from a pvp blog). once they go down this road there is no going back and i can not see many "av" games for us. it be pemades in 10man's thats going to just be as bad as RBG. they might as well go with 5 man RBG's (queing two 5 man groups)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
all i know for sure is once they do this whatever they pick. Join as group for any BG will be removed
I really like this post from another player's perspective:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...20?page=19#369
Thats basically how i feel on the topic. I enjoying watching invis and his 15 man group, and other 10 man pvp vids...do you not?
I have warned about boxers "Bullying" people /spit /lol to people they kill. I understand there are bots, but the boxing issue is a huge subject. Judging by his attitude from his "Tolerate boxing" speech, I assume this is a direct attack on boxing. My comment to socialism was the snowball effect. It starts with small things, then they work themselves to a big mess. Next you know IWT will go away "Unlikely" or /follow.
People build of hatred after a while. I don't say anything when im in AV usually, and I have been kicked many times.
Also, Im not crazy with my comment, I have lost abbout 35% of my 401k since 08 and its not gaining. I am probably going to pull out and invest in gold. Probably before the tax breaks are lifted jan 1st..
There are a lot of free to play games out there.
Not sure if any of them are good or not.
Because Warcraft has offered a fun environment to play in.
But if they remove the ability to queue as a group entirely, what's the point in the game at all?
Aside from the PvE aspect, which has no interest...
Blizzard will do what they want to do...
But Sony did the same with Everquest, until another option came around, and more than half their player base moved.
Or you can gather a team in RL, talk to investors, and develop your own game using the affordable and powerful game engine available to jump start. You can now set your own rules.
If possible, create the game with boxer in mind.
Not a trivial task of course, but not impossible.
He uses a lot of bogus logic while putting everything black/white, for example:Quote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
'It is, very frankly, disturbing that you're wagging your finger at players for attempting to play battlegrounds the way they were meant to be played - that being in an organized manner. People actually fighting for objectives instead of out scattered on the road with no care in the world about the outcome of the match.'
You can still get organisation going in random BG's, be it through chat or queue up with a 5m group which can account for half of the team in 10m maps. He acts as if no organisation is the only option from now on. He puts everything as the opposite extreme, while the reality is way more in the middle (as if the only alternative to a full premade is people running around like headless chickens).
During the pre-cataclysm patch they removed the ability to queue up as a raid, with a clear intent. Yet a part of the playerbase used a loophole in the queuing to game that change, claiming that what the system allows is within the rules/spirit of the game. Which is total nonsense (a bug is a bug and an exploit is an exploit).
I personally do not since I find it one of the saddest things in the game. We all know how boxing works on the technical side, and how much one button spam is involved. Compared to the videos from for example krushpack/ellay who plays 4 toons, I see a massive difference in skill required. But enjoying vs not enjoying is by default a very subjective matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by candlebox
I guess you confuse socialism with dictatorial communism. Truth is that many of the countries where socialism is a part of the system are far less of a mess than those countries who frown upon socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by candlebox
In no part of that post does Xexyz say that a premade is the only way to have organization in pvp.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
Thanks for the daily dose of irony.
All I did was link the post because I thought it might be a good read. If you have anything to say to the poster you're more than welcome to grab a US account and post your rebuttal in that particular thread. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
The point was that he compares extremes. e.g in the part that I quoted he says that blizzard is wagging a finger at organisation in random bgs, jumping from no longer being able to queue as a full premade (the topic) to concluding that they don't want organisation in a random bg is plain stupid and short-sighted, And he backs that conclusion up with an image where he links premades (organisation) to fighting for objectives vs fighting on the road. Like I said, the reality is far from the extremes he uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaTCarbS
Lot of stuff in there I agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
Bottom line, though: Blizzard has shown a penchant for "fixing" symptoms that highlight the real flaws in the system rather than spending the honest effort to fix the flaws themselves. Seems like it's been that way since the original dev team moved on, at any rate.