BG Queue Assist AddOns

[jstanthr]

i admit the rage quit thing was a bit over the top, but was neat, however prepared using oq will bring more harm than good IMO

[Owltoid]

I enjoyed some easy honor rath strat about 6 months ago. I was fun but it wasn't challenging in the least. I also played against rath strat where I was actually on the other team's vent and could hear their strategy. No matter how fast I typed and told the pug I was in where the group was going and how to react we still were demolished.

I find it amazing the peeps here are upset at this change. The change makes total sense and blizz should make a stance against fully coordinated pre meditated pugs. There IS an option for organized pvp, it's just that those in rath strat really aren't that good and they would get demolished against another premade.

The ones crying about the new change are the same ones crying that twinks with exp turned off can't queue with regular players. Basically, it's the ones crying that you took away their iwin button and they may have to play as intended.

[zenga]

I enjoyed some easy honor rath strat about 6 months ago. I was fun but it wasn't challenging in the least. I also played against rath strat where I was actually on the other team's vent and could hear their strategy. No matter how fast I typed and told the pug I was in where the group was going and how to react we still were demolished.

I find it amazing the peeps here are upset at this change. The change makes total sense and blizz should make a stance against fully coordinated pre meditated pugs. There IS an option for organized pvp, it's just that those in rath strat really aren't that good and they would get demolished against another premade.

The ones crying about the new change are the same ones crying that twinks with exp turned off can't queue with regular players. Basically, it's the ones crying that you took away their iwin button and they may have to play as intended.

I completely agree, and the qq that they broke the addon is no different than the qq single players use vs boxers. But there is one thing though: organized casual pvp does not exist, except wargames but they don't allow you to progress you character (i.e. they don't yield an honor reward). Rated bg's is all about maintaining your rating and that prevents people from queuing up with randoms once above a certain rating.

What's missing is a premade random bg queue. Same like the twink queue.

[Owltoid]

I think we're treading on dangerous ground. The more blizz looks at the current system the more they may reevaluate. I could see a system made for solo players and a system that groups together any teams that queued as a party or raid. Even two players that want to play with each other would go into this pug of premades type system. That would also decrease the botting issue. What that would mean is us boxers would always be going up coordinated groups (more accurately a group of oordinated teams, where a 15 man may be full of a 10 man raid, a 2 man party and another random 3 man party) - not that fun when you're trying to grind gear with multiple toons.

The above may sound hypocritical to what I posted earlier. The difference is that multiboxing comes with disadvantages and pugs can still win. I'd be willing to guess that 90% of multiboxers actually hurt their teams chances instead of help. That is a different scenario than fully premade "pugs" that virtually have no chance of losing and no disadvantages.

[Fat Tire]

What's missing is a premade random bg queue. Same like the twink queue.

I could see this as a fix to the issue.

However, if they made this change it could mean unintended consequences for muti boxers who like to join together and farm bots and fresh lvl 90s with the occasional coordinated group opponent. I am willing to bet that the premade vs premade queues may be hot to start but fade into never getting queues. Because as a solo player I am guessing randoms are just easier.

Hell blizzard would be able to kill off muti boxers in random bgs also with this change, its a win win for them.

[Owltoid]

Exactly, Fat Tire. That's why I said we are going down a dangerous path. It would suck if Rath Strat and oQ were the genesis of the downfall of random BGs for multiboxers. If they did make the change to have BGs for groups then all we can hope for is it only applies to raids. If they kill queuing as a party (by forcing any party of 2-5 to play against other organized parties) then I know PvP is dead for me.

[Fat Tire]

If they allowed everyone honor gear at the start of every new season, I think people would still solo/premade randoms for fun/achives without the stress of going up against either premades or full geared opponents just to gear their character enough to start arena/rbgs. Then I dont think people would care as much about oqeue or whatever.

I think it would get rid of the bots immediately.

[Owltoid]

That won't happen with honor gear to start. A big draw to the game is always thinking everything will be golden once X is accomplished. For example, I'll be awesome once I get full honor, or PvP weapons. That keeps people subbing. The longer they can dangle the carrot the more money blizz makes. I know if I had full gear right now and it wasn't working, my subs would be canceled. However, because I don't know what I can accomplish and I'm optimistic it will lead me to playing for at least another month while I grind it out.

[Fat Tire]

That won't happen with honor gear to start. A big draw to the game is always thinking everything will be golden once X is accomplished. For example, I'll be awesome once I get full honor, or PvP weapons. That keeps people subbing. The longer they can dangle the carrot the more money blizz makes. I know if I had full gear right now and it wasn't working, my subs would be canceled. However, because I don't know what I can accomplish and I'm optimistic it will lead me to playing for at least another month while I grind it out.

Fair enough. An alternative would be lowering of the cost of honor gear or greatly increasing the amount of honor gain. There has got to be a happy medium. There are alot of people who dont enjoy randoms and are forced to play to gear up enough to start arena/rbg. Its the main reason I have *otted myself.

[zenga]

Fair enough. An alternative would be lowering of the cost of honor gear or greatly increasing the amount of honor gain. There has got to be a happy medium. There are alot of people who dont enjoy randoms and are forced to play to gear up enough to start arena/rbg. Its the main reason I have *otted myself.

They could make the crafted pvp gear equal to the honor gear. Would fix a lot of crap.