BG Queue Assist AddOns

[zenga]

I really like this post from another player's perspective:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...20?page=19#369

He uses a lot of bogus logic while putting everything black/white, for example:

'It is, very frankly, disturbing that you're wagging your finger at players for attempting to play battlegrounds the way they were meant to be played - that being in an organized manner. People actually fighting for objectives instead of out scattered on the road with no care in the world about the outcome of the match.'

You can still get organisation going in random BG's, be it through chat or queue up with a 5m group which can account for half of the team in 10m maps. He acts as if no organisation is the only option from now on. He puts everything as the opposite extreme, while the reality is way more in the middle (as if the only alternative to a full premade is people running around like headless chickens).

During the pre-cataclysm patch they removed the ability to queue up as a raid, with a clear intent. Yet a part of the playerbase used a loophole in the queuing to game that change, claiming that what the system allows is within the rules/spirit of the game. Which is total nonsense (a bug is a bug and an exploit is an exploit).

I enjoying watching invis and his 15 man group, and other 10 man pvp vids...do you not?

I personally do not since I find it one of the saddest things in the game. We all know how boxing works on the technical side, and how much one button spam is involved. Compared to the videos from for example krushpack/ellay who plays 4 toons, I see a massive difference in skill required. But enjoying vs not enjoying is by default a very subjective matter.

My comment to socialism was the snowball effect. It starts with small things, then they work themselves to a big mess.

I guess you confuse socialism with dictatorial communism. Truth is that many of the countries where socialism is a part of the system are far less of a mess than those countries who frown upon socialism.

[MiRai]

He uses a lot of bogus logic while putting everything black/white, for example:

'It is, very frankly, disturbing that you're wagging your finger at players for attempting to play battlegrounds the way they were meant to be played - that being in an organized manner. People actually fighting for objectives instead of out scattered on the road with no care in the world about the outcome of the match.'

You can still get organisation going in random BG's, be it through chat or queue up with a 5m group which can account for half of the team in 10m maps. He acts as if no organisation is the only option from now on. He puts everything as the opposite extreme, while the reality is way more in the middle (as if the only alternative to a full premade is people running around like headless chickens).

During the pre-cataclysm patch they removed the ability to queue up as a raid, with a clear intent. Yet a part of the playerbase used a loophole in the queuing to game that change, claiming that what the system allows is within the rules/spirit of the game. Which is total nonsense (a bug is a bug and an exploit is an exploit).

All I did was link the post because I thought it might be a good read. If you have anything to say to the poster you're more than welcome to grab a US account and post your rebuttal in that particular thread.

[candlebox]

You can still get organisation going in random BG's, be it through chat or queue up with a 5m group which can account for half of the team in 10m maps. He acts as if no organisation is the only option from now on. He puts everything as the opposite extreme, while the reality is way more in the middle (as if the only alternative to a full premade is people running around like headless chickens).

I am not sure when the last time you went into a BG as a single person, but it is a MESS. EVERYONE does there own thing. People take the wrong GY's, they dont defend, they dont group up or fight on objectives. Pretending that they do is crazy talk. Yes you do have random times when people will actually try, but it is very seldom. People get in a routine of doing things, and that is that.

I solo heal Drek and I am the reason the alliance has won alot of games. I have been in these unorganized crime games, and its just a FFA mess. Any alteration in the normal run to x location, and GG coach.

[zenga]

I am not sure when the last time you went into a BG as a single person, but it is a MESS. EVERYONE does there own thing. People take the wrong GY's, they dont defend, they dont group up or fight on objectives. Pretending that they do is crazy talk. Yes you do have random times when people will actually try, but it is very seldom. People get in a routine of doing things, and that is that.

I solo heal Drek and I am the reason the alliance has won alot of games. I have been in these unorganized crime games, and its just a FFA mess. Any alteration in the normal run to x location, and GG coach.

I don't run any bg's as a boxer, so all bg's I do is solo; and honestly my experience is totally different. Not gonna say that every bg has perfect communication, far from it. But at least every other BG I'm in a team with a certain level of basic coordination. I admit that I can't speak for AV/IoC in mop since I have them blacklisted. With basic coordination I mean that after the first nodes are capped small groups are naturally formed who guard nodes and call out inc on maps like AB/Gilneas, and on WsG/Twin Peaks the attacking team waits for rezzers and communicates where to gather up. Those are in my opinion the basic things that needs to be organized and I see that in most bgs. That is my experience at least, and I have no reason to question yours. It might have to do with my playing times, or my faction. And I guess if you run AV and IoC getting organisation going is nearly impossible. It's one of the reasons I blacklisted them, but the main reason was that I would end up vs full premades every other AV, premades that avoided every objective and were just farming HKs.

My point is not that there is something wrong with premades, my point is that there is a limit to how many people can queue up at the same time (5) for 2 years and people have been circumventing that with an addon to get a fully premade. If blizzard would allow fully premades to queue up (without the need of a dodgy addon) I'd be fine with that, and take part in premades as well. The best random bgs are those were you have a few 2-3 groups in your team vs some in their team. But if you follow the rules by queuing up with max 5 people, and then get overrun by players who gamed the mechanics, then that leaves a bitter taste.

On a sidenote, if blizzard is fine with a 50% premade team in twin peaks and a 33% premade in AB, it would make sense to increase the amount of players that can queue up for AV and IoC to at least 10.