i heard that the 9800 is like the 8800, but a hole lot more expensive, i have a Q9300, its amazing, and i have 8gb of ram(4x 2gb 1066), i have a 8800gts 512mb OC, vista ultimate 64, and i can run 5 (at 45, 15, 15, 15, 15 fps), with almost every thing maxed.