Think I'm Done

**Los** · 04-23-2008, 03:55 AM

Because it should be about time invested. The division between hardcore and casual people is the total amount of life-time it takes them to get rewards--What they can do in a few weeks may take me months, but I shouldn't be cock-blocked from those same rewards... And please don't try and tell me that raiding is harder than any other facet of this game.

And for me personally, as I explained (If you'd taken the time to comprehend it, that is), I can't train a team to get to high ratings because of my committment to my job. That's not something that is flexible when you're in the military, bud.

Raiding is different, to be honest both pve and pvp have their charmes and also a lot of disliking about them, but going on for months on a boss is something different then gaining points in an arena no matter how you put it.

There is no I can't in this world, only I will not.

**Kaynin** · 04-23-2008, 04:36 AM

Rating requirements are fine, I'd say..

The first PvP honor point system required time. Loads of time, seas of time! But other then time, nothing. You just needed time, time, time.

That system sucked. It just did.

Arena's changed that. Needing only 10 games to receive points each week allowed even the more casual people to gather some gear and actually compete. The fact everyone is now in PvP gear is -not- a bad thing. If you think it is, then you have to re-evaluate your idea of PvP! *nodnod*

Anyhow, the personal rating required for the top notch of the arena gear is just the reward for the people putting enough time and devotion in it to be succesful. Whilest the more casual players will just have to do with lower tier arena gear. This isn't a bad thing, the essential difference between s1 and s3 for example, it's there, but someone in full s1 still stands a fair chance against someone in s3. The gap is there, but not as immense as it used to be. If you can't reach the rating to get the top notch stuff, then that's just your loss. For the ones that does reach it, will then have an actual reward to show for it.

So, in a nutshell, the pvp systems blizzard brought since TBC (granted with a few glitches and bugs, but the idea in essence!) is a very good one! It is able to satisfy -all- of the players out there, be it casual or hardcore. While keeping the general PvP environment as balanced as possible, without going too green to give everyone -exactly- the same gear. More effort = better, but not invincible, gear.

**butta** · 04-23-2008, 07:28 AM

It's a LADDER system.

You said it all right there. There's no reason for the apple at the top of the tree to be available to everyone on the first rung. You have to earn it. Honestly this is a good thing as it will reduce the teams who float around 1500 (and lower) fully geared in the latest season's offerings. The other changes they are making to points received (essentially nerfing point selling teams) are going to be great as well -- losing to a full vengeful team won't cost you 16 hard earned points.

I really wish this could have been around at the start of arena.. I think it would have taken TBC in a completely different direction. A content oriented direction. But at the time the only honor gear was the way overpriced blues (remember? before they reduced the honor point cost of the set?). Come to think of it.. the raiders would probably have gotten all the arena gear first, seeing as pve gear was still pretty good at mashing the blue pvp honor set. Meh, it won't make a huge difference in what is likely the last season of the expansion. Get season 3/2 imo, they're very powerful sets for all classes and after all -- you're not entitled to the latest and greatest just because you show up.

**d0z3rr** · 04-23-2008, 07:48 AM

I think it's good too, that way hardcore people will actually look elite. Whereas now they kind of just blend in with all the other pvpers. In fact, everyone looks the same nowadays, it was always nice to see that pvp guild that is the only one decked out in nice gear.

**Maz** · 04-23-2008, 09:02 AM

While Season 3 is still going strong, we wanted to announce ahead of time the rating requirements that will be present for arena items once Season 4 begins. We also wanted to give everyone a heads up to some changes that will be in an upcoming patch, altering how points are gained and players are matched in the arena system. The patch with these changes is scheduled to release before the start of Season 4.

First though, the rating requirement changes:

When Season 4 begins, Season 3 items will be reduced in personal and team arena rating requirement to:

Shoulders: 1950
Weapon: 1800

The new Season 4 items will have the below personal and team arena rating requirements:

Shoulders: 2200
Weapon: 2050
Head: 1700
Chest: 1600
Legs: 1550
Gloves: none
Off-hand: none

In addition, some of the Season 4 quality items that will be purchasable with honor will also carry a personal and team arena rating requirement:

Boots: 1700
Ring: 1650
Bracers: 1575
Belt: none
Necklace: none
Trinket: none

The Season 2 items, which will move to the honor system when Season 4 begins, will continue to have no rating requirement.

The changes to the rating requirements for these items reflect the nature of the items, their power, and the relative difficulty that should be had when attempting to obtain them. These items are comparable to those found in the newest 25 person raid zone, Sunwell Plateau, and should therefore also feel very challenging to obtain.

To help ensure that the challenge in obtaining these items stays true to those achieving these ratings, we'll also be implementing new rules with an upcoming patch to curb practices that undermine the core concepts of the arena system. These rules are as follows:

If a character�s personal rating is more than 150 points below the team rating, they will earn points based on their personal rating instead of the team rating.

This means that a player cannot join a highly rated team and begin earning points based purely on the pre-established rating of the team before they joined it. They'll need to compete, improve, and gain a personal rating worthy of the points they would receive.

If the average personal rating of the players queuing for a game is more than 150 points below the team�s rating, the team will be queued against an opponent matching or similar to the average personal rating.

This means that players cannot join a highly rated team and immediately face highly rated opponents, easily and quickly bringing their personal rating up. Instead they'll need to again compete, improve, and earn their rating.

We're excited to see these changes implemented, which will continue to emphasize the strong competitive nature of the arenas, and the challenge in obtaining the highest end rewards available for PvP.

**Update**

If a team does not enter an arena match that is starting they will lose points equal to the amount that would have been deducted if they had played and lost.

This change makes it less viable to participate in illegitimate team match-ups by requiring every game be played; not just those that are against a team's desired opponent.

I'm unhappy with this change because I love battlegrounds but I hate arena.

Right now, it's a good time to be a battleground junkie. You can play the aspect of the game you enjoy and improve your gear as you do just as you can if you're an arena junkie or a PVE junkie. The problem is that with this change, I'm gonna hit the gear cap real soon now. My main has full vindicator's and is well on the way to banking 400 marks of honor and 75000 honor. Once S4 hits, it'll take me about two weeks to get the S2 gear and the three bits of the new honor gear that are free from arena requirements.

At that point, I'll still do battlegrounds but improving your gear is one of the cornerstones of MMORPG design. If you can't do that, you're removing one of the motivations to play.

I don't care that I won't have S4 (or even S3); my e-peen is quite secure. I just want to play the aspects of the game I enjoy and occasionally get some reward for doing so.

**Gallo** · 04-23-2008, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by 'Bigfish',index.php?page=Thread&postID=55827#post5 5827

Once I finish getting all my alt party to 70 (and subsequently having a 70 of every class) and get them geared out, I'll probably end up quitting for a while. I'm not going to level a bunch of Shamans to Arena, and I don't like raiding, so I'm left with very little to do. Wish they would take the emphasis off that stuff and start making content for people who don't want to play on a schedule.

Don't take this the wrong way, because I am EXACTLY the same way I think, but it really amazes me how many people have this mentality. It seems like A LOT of people playing WoW barely have a reason to be playing. They seem to not have the time, have lost interest in pretty much everything in the game, but they just cannot put it down. I've been doing this for months (which is why i took up 5boxing), and it still is crazy to me that tons of other people seem to play the game with very little interest left.

**Eteocles** · 04-23-2008, 09:10 AM

Instead they'll need to again compete, improve, and earn their rating.

I love you, Blizz. Have my space turkey babies for making people earn what they think they deserve.

Max, gear will come and go, especially once Wrath hits, get what you can without focusing too hard on it and enjoy the ride to said gear. Have fun, blow people up, get blown up, res and lol at that rogue who tried to gank an alt then got quad frostshocked for his trouble :p Enjoy yourself, the gear will come in time and if you don't think actively about it you'll be geared in no time anyways

Also, regarding the "No raids, no pvp, needs more no-schedule entertainment"; try visiting Quel'Danas sometime :p TONS of dailies added with the Sunwell invasion scattered around Sunwell Isle & Outland, something you can do for a couple hours for nice loot, money, and even a Heroic Badge rarely. But besides Raiding and PVP, what's left? Heroics? Farming for yourself? It just seems like you don't like the only things available endgame lol

**Mosg2** · 04-23-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by 'Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=55938#post 55938

Instead they'll need to again compete, improve, and earn their rating.

I love you, Blizz. Have my space turkey babies for making people earn what they think they deserve.

Max, gear will come and go, especially once Wrath hits, get what you can without focusing too hard on it and enjoy the ride to said gear. Have fun, blow people up, get blown up, res and lol at that rogue who tried to gank an alt then got quad frostshocked for his trouble

Enjoy yourself, the gear will come in time and if you don't think actively about it you'll be geared in no time anyways

Also, regarding the "No raids, no pvp, needs more no-schedule entertainment"; try visiting Quel'Danas sometime

TONS of dailies added with the Sunwell invasion scattered around Sunwell Isle & Outland, something you can do for a couple hours for nice loot, money, and even a Heroic Badge rarely. But besides Raiding and PVP, what's left? Heroics? Farming for yourself? It just seems like you don't like the only things available endgame lol

I was exalted with Shattered Sun Offensive less than week after the patch went live. I would consider myself hardcore when I'm not deployed.

I *do* enjoy arenas. With my deployment schedule, I can't play one of my single toons to a high arena rating because it requires a lot of time to gel with a new team. They expect you to be there for the full ride. With my girls... All I need is a semi-decent healer

And to whoever said "There is only 'I won't in life, not I can't'"... You have no idea what you're talking about. Go volunteer for sea duty over work in the sandbox and talk to me about how much free time you get.

**Los** · 04-23-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by 'Mosg2',index.php?page=Thread&postID=55989#post559 89

Originally Posted by 'Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=55938#post 55938

Instead they'll need to again compete, improve, and earn their rating.

I love you, Blizz. Have my space turkey babies for making people earn what they think they deserve.

Max, gear will come and go, especially once Wrath hits, get what you can without focusing too hard on it and enjoy the ride to said gear. Have fun, blow people up, get blown up, res and lol at that rogue who tried to gank an alt then got quad frostshocked for his trouble

Enjoy yourself, the gear will come in time and if you don't think actively about it you'll be geared in no time anyways

Also, regarding the "No raids, no pvp, needs more no-schedule entertainment"; try visiting Quel'Danas sometime

TONS of dailies added with the Sunwell invasion scattered around Sunwell Isle & Outland, something you can do for a couple hours for nice loot, money, and even a Heroic Badge rarely. But besides Raiding and PVP, what's left? Heroics? Farming for yourself? It just seems like you don't like the only things available endgame lol

I was exalted with Shattered Sun Offensive less than week after the patch went live. I would consider myself hardcore when I'm not deployed.

I *do* enjoy arenas. With my deployment schedule, I can't play one of my single toons to a high arena rating because it requires a lot of time to gel with a new team. They expect you to be there for the full ride. With my girls... All I need is a semi-decent healer

And to whoever said "There is only 'I won't in life, not I can't'"... You have no idea what you're talking about. Go volunteer for sea duty over work in the sandbox and talk to me about how much free time you get.

Excuse me, you are the one complaining about free time, not me. If you wanted you could quit your job, and dont give me that 'go volunteer' its your choice to do so, im not the one complaining that life does go on when being abroad.

**Mosg2** · 04-23-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by 'Los',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56012#post56012