Big nerfs on Demo Shout on Warriors

[Fuzzyboy]

Are the 4 mages teams end dungeon viable? Can the clothies clear bosses without a tank?

That's what I'm wondering as well. Quite curious to see how 4 mage + priest / 4 locks + priest will be doing in end game dungeons.

[luxlunae]

Give blizzard some more weeks and we will see some more hidden class balancing "fixes"
In 6months druids will be meta tank^^

all vanilla versions are equal but some vanilla versions are more equal than others

I'm also nervous about their desire to fix things. Their desire to fix things is what watered down retail into milquetoast blah.

[Kojiiko]

Are the 4 mages teams end dungeon viable? Can the clothies clear bosses without a tank?

I7ve only seem them up to level 54 and 57 at the moment, they are just questing and grinding dungeons,, most ppl just doing for the extra lootz gfrind on 5 toons and then make one of them there 60 to do raids with guildes

[rosuto]

I don't mind. It was a bug. Demo never provided that much threat in Vanilla or on Pservers. You'd usually have a DPS warrior keep up Demo because it's not worth the tank's rage.

[Hardcore Scape]

I don't mind. It was a bug. Demo never provided that much threat in Vanilla or on Pservers. You'd usually have a DPS warrior keep up Demo because it's not worth the tank's rage.

On single target yea. Look at skarms aoe warrior video. He spams demo on p server.

[Vipeax]

I7ve only seem them up to level 54 and 57 at the moment, they are just questing and grinding dungeons,, most ppl just doing for the extra lootz gfrind on 5 toons and then make one of them there 60 to do raids with guildes

I have been 60 for a week now...

MMMMP struggles with UBRS (you need tanks), Timmy in Stratholme and Razorgore.

[Apatheist]

On single target yea. Look at skarms aoe warrior video. He spams demo on p server.

Most of his threat in those videos is coming from the combined TPS caused by consumables, buffs and items like thunderfury/force reactive disk though. Ret aura, thorns, shield spikes, dragonbreath chili, etc. Demoralizing shout never caused enough threat to hold agro by itself.

To the people saying Blizzard are "nerfing" things -- this is incorrect. They're fixing errors that weren't working correctly to begin with based on their reference server. Raid experience was being calculated incorrectly. Demo shout threat was being calculated incorrectly. These are fixes, not nerfs.

If you've already started a team with a warrior tank and you're otherwise happy with it, don't reroll because of these changes. Once you have access to some of the higher level gear and the right consumables your AE TPS will be higher than it was spamming demo shout pre-fix.

[smk]

I have been 60 for a week now...

MMMMP struggles with UBRS (you need tanks), Timmy in Stratholme and Razorgore.

Would you pick a paladin or a druid to tank for your team?

[nodoze]

Would you pick a paladin or a druid to tank for your team?

For most dungeon focused parties Paladin is the best Tank choice unless other goals conflict (like you want Horde, want to main a Warrior or Druid, want to also Raid Tank & not just Dungeon Tank, etc).

Paladin has the best AoE threat just relying on built in tools for both pushing AoE threat on an unlimited number of mobs & reducing the Threat of the party. Paladin Tanks can also cleanse the most debuffs, off-heal, protect a party member, sacrifice self to prevent a full wipe, and rez the normal rezzer.

Yes Warriors can add lots of AoE threat via itemization & consumables but then again Paladins can also add those items/consumables (on top of their built in tools).

[Hardcore Scape]

For most dungeon focused parties Paladin is the best Tank choice unless other goals conflict (like you want Horde, want to main a Warrior or Druid, want to also Raid Tank & not just Dungeon Tank, etc).

Paladin has the best AoE threat just relying on built in tools for both pushing AoE threat on an unlimited number of mobs & reducing the Threat of the party. Paladin Tanks can also cleanse the most debuffs, off-heal, protect a party member, sacrifice self to prevent a full wipe, and rez the normal rezzer.

Yes Warriors can add lots of AoE threat via itemization & consumables but then again Paladins can also add those items/consumables (on top of their built in tools).

that's true and all up until 60, but at 60 it's going to be important to have the survivability of a warrior in some of these higher level dungeons.