Cannot figure out how to get follow and assist to work in inner space / ISboxer...

[Malgor]

I loaded it tonight, but since I work 12+ hour shifts until Monday morning I won't get a lot of time to try and tweak it.

I was able to get my own window layout (2 monitors both full screen) input and load two versions of the game.

Once in the game there are quite a few things of course that you have different. I usually left the little click buttons at the top left to turn on/off repeater regions and broadcasting. You have them on the F1/F2 keys but named differently in Keyboard repeating on/off and mouse repeating on/off.

I was unable to get my characters to do what I've been trying to do all along which is leave broadcasting off and just run everything through the main character, but some things only through my second character, such as target main character, follow main character, assist main character (which in game is acquire target of target, but means the same thing).

I was only able to accomplish this once again with broadcasting on. That's not how it works with my WoW teams. The only time I turn on broadcasting is when completing quests or interacting with items/npcs.

With the way this seemed to work if I left keyboard repeating on (F2) with your set up the two characters run independently when I press the WSAD keys for movement and the second character doesn't follow. If I turn off keyboard and repeating the second character follows fine, but I have to turn on keyboard repeating again for assist/follow/target main character and any other command.

I must be really not understanding what I am doing.

I'll try more on Monday - until then I won't get any time.

I appreciate all you've tried to do so far and I'll try and contact you Monday with my results.

Thanks!

Malgor

[Riiker]

Ok. We are gonna need to do some troubleshooting/ debugging here. What I want you to do is reset all of your ingame key bindings to default for targeting and movement. Then set follow = (tilde) and target my target = F6. Load up and group your characters. Make sure that neither character has a target selected (press ESC for each one). Then when you press your ISBoxer hokey for Follow Me, I want to know who character slot 2 selects when slot 1 is the main and then repeat the process when slot 2 is main. I have a feeling that this is where the problem is.

[Malgor]

I'll get on this Monday - I work tonight all night and Sunday night all night. Thanks for working through this - I'll post my results then.

[Riiker]

Sounds good. It's just crummy that you spent the money on a second account and can't really use it yet.

[Apps]

Do you want graphics or just a description?

I started with a clean ISBoxer and saved my wow settings as a save as file.

Under Character sets I named my team just SWTOR since I will be using it for boxing just two characters at one time with only target leader, target of target and follow.

In-game Key Bindings: (I put some of these under Key 2 not Key 1 since I single box a healer with some friends and didn't want to change the main settings.

Target Party Member 1 = F6
Target Self = F7
Acquire Target's Target = `
Follow Target = Alt+F


Under Variable Keystrokes there were already Slot 1 and Slot 2 listed (which I believe is all I need to two box) and I added this:

Target Slot 1 Default Key Combination F6
Target Slot 2 Default Key Combination F6

Under SWTOR>Slots>1 variable keystrokes tab I have:
Target Slot 1 is now F7
Target Slot 2 is now F6
Under SWTOR>Slots>2 variable keystrokes tab I have:
Target Slot 1 is now F6
Target Slot 2 is now F7

Under Key Maps>Non-combat I added in two Mapped Keys:

Target Leader
Advanced
Steps
1: F6-> all other
The above step 1 I added the following actions:
Step
Actions
<Target Slot {SLOT}> -> all other
F6 -> all other

Target of Target
Advanced
Steps
1: 1 -> all
The above step 1 I added the following actions:
Step
Actions
<Target Slot {SLOT}> -> all other
`-> all other
1-> all

Those are the only things I changed. I do not have a hotkey for Target Leader or for Target of Target nor do I have "Hold any keystorke actions while hotkey is held" on. I've tried to have that on and it doesn't work at all then.

Currently everything works (kinda) if I turn on broadcasting. I say that because for follow, when I turn on broadcasting both characters turn and follow each other until I turn it off again and start moving. Then the lead character of course is followed by the second. I have to turn on broadcasting again after I select a target then hit ` and the corresponding key I want them to attack with. I keep broadcasting on throughout the fight though this leads to obvious ill desired effects when the second character runs off as I run the first character to a new mob as follow won't work with broadcasting on. So this of course, isn't ideal, but workable. I just started the team yesterday and got them to level 12 in a few hours.

All help is very appreciated.

Thanks,

Mal

EDIT: I do have the box checked that says "Make game believe it is the foreground window".

:whistles:

Several critical failures here…

Bluntly, whatever setup you’re trying to copy, is a weak one.

1. If you use in game TPM1 (Target Party Member 1) as F6, but then have your variable keystrokes at slot one to F7 then F6, AND AT THE SAME TIME, set slot two to the opposite for a two man setup…eh, they aren’t going to do crap but just sit there and stare blankly.

1. Unless you are doing something rather funky, there isn’t a need to use a specific key for Target self other than the one already in game… F1

1. Don’t use Non-combat keys for SWToR

1. I highly advise against using key combos (ALT+F for example) for any of your 3 main scripts… “Follow Me”; “Assist Me”; “Target Me”

You will need to juggle around your F-keys to get it working correctly, but its not hard.

Oh, and not using a “Control” system will be a lot more difficult. I will concede that some players think this method is a bit funky, however its very “logical” meaning “input this”>”send to this”

Anyway, Mosg2 did a very VERY nice setup for 4 people. I followed that up with a 2 player rendition of his manifesto.

Link to Mosg2
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/4...-TOR-Manifesto

Link to Apps
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/4...an-SWTOR-setup


Two man setups are easy. Don’t over think it. If you are playing Toon A. Then group with Toon B. Toon B is your TPM1. Easy right? Well, if you play Toon B, and then group with Toon A. From the perspective of Toon B… Toon A is HIS TPM1. So the setups are identical, the only difference is your assist, target, and follow all point to the other character slot.

Also, don’t use the “all other” when doing a 2 man setup.


Do this….
Read Mosg2’s and Apps setup instructions….
---In SWTOR---
Set both IN GAME keybinds to the exact same thing;
Follow = `
Target Party Member 1 = F6
Acquire Targets Target = F7

---In ISBoxer---
Make key map rename it “O Control”
Make key map rename it (your first toons name)

---In “O Control”---
New key map “Activate (your first toons name)”
Add your hotkey here
One step, one action… make toon one “On”; toon two “Off”; O control “On”
^Copy the above mapped key, Paste it in the O Control, edit the second one to be the opposite settings, and rename it as “Activate (your second toons name)” Give it, its own hotkey.
^Copy again, and paste it in the O Control, edit it the third one to be all set to “OFF” Rename it as “All keys off” Give it its own hotkey.

You can add a mouse repeater too if you like. I did.

---In (your first toons name)---
Make the Follow Me; Assist Me; Target Me.. use character slots instead of “all others”
Create DPS keys that use the Assist Me, send it to the other character slot, and then press your dps key.. like the number “1”
^ Copy and repeat to finish your dps keys.


When your done, copy that entire key map (your first toons name), and paste it in the Key Maps, and rename it as (your second toons name)
Simply invert all the character slots for your mapped keys. (I.e. what was going to slot 2, should now go to slot 1)

Double check your Character Set so that you have the “O control”; “(your first toons name)”; “(your second toons name)”.
Set a hot key for your window swap, and use the same keys you chose for your activate key maps.

Save all.

Export to Inner Space.

Close all windows, open ISBoxer, and right click on your character set, and choose “Launch”

Enjoy.
Apps

[Malgor]

Okay.

I reloaded your set up with ISBoxer and imported it to Inner Space.

I reset my key bindings to default.

I set Follow Target to ~ (actually ` which is the non-shift ~)

I set my Acquire Target of Target to F6.

Now when I hit ` I select my other character and follow them. Works when I am in either window with F1 and F2 off (mouse repeater and keyboard repeater). That's perfect.

However when I hit F6 with a target selected it says on my main window, "Your target has no target" meaning the NPC I've targeted has no target. My other character on my other screen does nothing. He still has me targeted because I hit ` first which is follow (and I assume target character #2).

So half working. Though after I played around with it for a bit, ` no longer targeted the other character nor followed them until I exported ISBoxer again to Inner Space. Weird.

It's 7:30am my time now and I just got home from work a bit ago so need to get some sleep. I'll wait to hear what you think might be my problem.

Thanks again for working me through this!

Malgor

[Apps]

That's because... looking at the previous setup, F6 is only being used for Acquire Targets Target. The games keybinds arent smart like ISBoxer. The setup isnt right. You cant target a mob, then press F6. The mob isnt targeting anything.

You need to specifically tell ISBoxer which key maps you want active when you swap windows.

You also need to specify a Target of Target AFTER you do the Target Me function.


Meaning you should NOT have a hot key for Acquire Targets Target in ISBoxer, and you should NOT have a hot key for Target Me.

I'll write that again... you should NOT have a hot key for Acquire Targets Target in ISBoxer... so unless you are turning off all your hot key, key maps, and then pressing the key bind.. its just simply not going to work right when you press it.



the correct way of doing it would be to use those mapped keys as a director for a specific mapped key which you send to your game window. NOT the other way around.

(Without actually seeing your setup), Id suspect that, you are likely still using the "all w/ current", and you arent turning off the key map of the other toon when you swap windows.

I reloaded your set up with ISBoxer and imported it to Inner Space.

Who is the "your" which you're referring to?

[Riiker]

Apps, I'm the "your" that he was referring to. I have a working 2 & 4 man setup that originally was based off your guide, but now has been modified to use variable keystrokes.

I'm starting to think that using variable keystrokes is adding a layer of complexity that is possibly clouding the real issue.

I think I'm going to make another setup for him based on your guide and troubleshoot from there.

I have a feeling that the problem is an inconsistency of ingame key binds between characters. Another possibility is an outdated version of inner space or ISBoxer based on the comment that without changing anything the setup stopped working then all he had to do was reexport.

Oddly enough I'm at the hospital right now... just had my first baby 3 days ago! I'm not going to have a bunch of time to help malgor out.

[Apps]

Apps, I'm the "your" that he was referring to. I have a working 2 & 4 man setup that originally was based off your guide, but now has been modified to use variable keystrokes.

I'm starting to think that using variable keystrokes is adding a layer of complexity that is possibly clouding the real issue.

I think I'm going to make another setup for him based on your guide and troubleshoot from there.

I have a feeling that the problem is an inconsistency of ingame key binds between characters. Another possibility is an outdated version of inner space or ISBoxer based on the comment that without changing anything the setup stopped working then all he had to do was reexport.

Oddly enough I'm at the hospital right now... just had my first baby 3 days ago! I'm not going to have a bunch of time to help malgor out.

DUDE! congratulations! I too am a newly recent father again. I am seriously pleased for you.



Several of us tried out the variable keystroke options. Yes they work. however, just like you are finding out, we can accomplish the same thing with less effort. My suspicion is, Malgor has his "Control" methods out of wack, and or in addition to game keybinds not appropriately synced with ISBoxer. From looking at it, I think Malgor needs to stop, delete all, and start fresh... Build a new profile from hand. Control, Toon A, Toon B. .. then populate his mapped keys, and reset to default in game keybinds, and only alter the 3-4 he needs. His re-export may not actually work. Exporting takes into account, things like keybinds in game and the main file for ISBoxer. I believe its no shock to know that if a person can import someone else .XML file, locate all appropriate discrepancies, change them all, and re-export... that person should be able to build a basic file on their own.

What I attempt to do, is provide enough assistance to get a basic understanding of the software, and how its built, then operates. After that, the user can then expand and grow with it.

Grats on the baby! hope he or she is health, fat, quiet, and going home soon.

Apps.

[Riiker]

Malgor,

*edit - completely agree with apps post above. That is probably the best option. Go read the guide that he posted above. It's what I used to make my setup anyway. But if you decide not to I've listed some things below to check.

I think the way forward is recheck your ingame key binds are all default with the exception of follow and target my target. Also, make sure you have the latest version of Innerspace and ISBoxer.

Once you've done that, from your main press the "follow me" hot key to make the alt target you and then follow. From your main, target an NPC. Now switch to the alt and press F6 to make him target your target (make sure that F6 is not used as a hotkey in ISBoxer first). The alt should target the NPC. If he doesn't, recheck to make sure the alt is currently targeting the main who is targeting an NPC. If that checked out, reverify your keybind in game for target of target (should be F6). Hopefully, that all works and we can recheck your ISBoxer setup.

Im going to try and make a new setup for you tonight, but like I said above... I've got some other things going on right now. I completely agree with apps... stay away from modifiers like shift, ctrl, and alt until we get this working.

Apps, thanks man! It's kinda wild.