GUIDE: Click Healing System Using Party Frames

[Kro]

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Agree

[Mercbeast]

The one problem I think you may run into with the variable target system Chazz describes(unless I completely missed it!) is that occasionally your characters are not sync'd up in the group. What I mean by this is, Character 1 is slot 2 for Character 2, and Character 2 is slot 3 for Character 1.

This means that you cannot properly drive with both characters, you pick one, and if you run with the other one your slave follows and assists the wrong person.

With the Chazz system it seems to me the solution would be to define a second toggle key and tie each character to its own ATG. Toggle 1 cycles party 1 through 4 for others in ATG1. Toggle 2 cycles party 1 through 4 for others in ATG2. What this should do is only send the appropriate assist keys to the character ONLY if they are not the focus.

If you haven't run into the issue I am describing Chazz, it seems rare but it does occur where the party re-orders and your characters are not sequential in their positioning.

[chazz]

The one problem I think you may run into with the variable target system Chazz describes(unless I completely missed it!) is that occasionally your characters are not sync'd up in the group. What I mean by this is, Character 1 is slot 2 for Character 2, and Character 2 is slot 3 for Character 1.

This means that you cannot properly drive with both characters, you pick one, and if you run with the other one your slave follows and assists the wrong person.

With the Chazz system it seems to me the solution would be to define a second toggle key and tie each character to its own ATG. Toggle 1 cycles party 1 through 4 for others in ATG1. Toggle 2 cycles party 1 through 4 for others in ATG2. What this should do is only send the appropriate assist keys to the character ONLY if they are not the focus.

If you haven't run into the issue I am describing Chazz, it seems rare but it does occur where the party re-orders and your characters are not sequential in their positioning.

This is absolutely true Mercbeast, if you are playing more than two characters. For just two the current system should work (change Target Window from Character Slot 2 to All w/o Current).

[chazz]

EDIT:
New Set Target System guide.

[IMTrick]

Love the tutorial, and it all sounds great to me... in theory.

I'm sure I'm missing something, though. I can get everything set up, and it all works great (using the original method), except that my heal doesn't kick off on mouse up. I feel like I'm really close to getting this to work for my four-man group, but I can't for the life of me get the heal to go off, and I'm yanking my hair out trying to figure out why not. Targetting on my healer slave is working great, but then... nothing.

I'll admit I'm a bit of an ISBoxer noob, though I think I do all right with it. I think I've seen references to a debugging mode, but haven't been able to find one. Is there a way I can figure out what's actually happening when I let go of my mouse button?

[chazz]

IMTrick:
As far as "debugging mode" goes I would advise you to contact Lax, as I cannot answer that myself.
Otherwise it would be helpful if you could provide a bit more information regarding your issue and I can try to help you out.

Are you talking about the "Mouse1 Healing Key" that you are using on "Left Click" with your Click Bar? If so, make sure that this key has "pressed OR released" checked so that it triggers Step 1 on Mouse"down" and Step 2 on Mouse"up".
Also something I sometimes do for "manual debugging" when something seems to be wrong is to insert a Pop-Up text message in my keys to see if they fire off at all, or if a certain step fires off as it should etc.

[IMTrick]

Are you talking about the "Mouse1 Healing Key" that you are using on "Left Click" with your Click Bar? If so, make sure that this key has "pressed OR released" checked so that it triggers Step 1 on Mouse"down" and Step 2 on Mouse"up".
Also something I sometimes do for "manual debugging" when something seems to be wrong is to insert a Pop-Up text message in my keys to see if they fire off at all, or if a certain step fires off as it should etc.

Thanks... not sure which step isn't firing, though I do have my Mouse 1 Healing key set to "Pressed or Released."

The pop-up thing is a great tip, though. I'll give that a shot. I'm sure I'm just missing something obvious, and that may just me enough to point me at where I've screwed it up.

[balrog78]

I have the same problem sometimes. But it also works sometimes. Currently it is very random to me, I cant find a pattern to analyze what I am doing wrong. I will also try with the popup text to get more information.
What I noted is that I am often able to click through the click bar. So my main is actually targetting the group members. Of course in that case the heal is not casted and also the repeater region not loaded again.

[Apps]

Chazz,

K, first. Excellent info there. Its taken me a little bit to get my head wrapped around whats going on there. So I got a couple questions.

1. How does this differ / is better than negating the use of the repeater region completely, and just using the clickbars coupled with the "Target Me" and a particular mapped key for the healer on an aux action bar?

(Reason being, the Mosg/Apps method for healing.. which we stole from Remanz...hehe... works flawlessly. Instant window swaps to handle a toon specific emergency or movement, with synced bars, still allows for the same heal setup from any window) Could we not also use another method of click targeting and click healing by the way of a video feed from each toon, to each toon, saved as Auto within the setup screen, interdependent for each, and a simple clickbar or bar(s) for each to "click through" heal?

2. If we're currently using a click to heal method, have you tried a multi key from mouse for healing? I.e. both left and right mouse buttons for shielding? Or would the driving toon move forward too much? would we have to disable mouse movement on the lead window? (this seems a bit more cumbersome now that I put it in writing.)

[IMTrick]

What I noted is that I am often able to click through the click bar. So my main is actually targetting the group members. Of course in that case the heal is not casted and also the repeater region not loaded again.

Yep, that was exactly what I was running into... The click bar wasn't getting clicked. After screwing around a bit in the console and saving/re-exporting/yelling at the click bar and repeater area a few times, it's working great now.

Oh, man, is this easier than how I was doing healing before. I'm a happy boxer.