10/25 box raid melee team

[Mercbeast]

I don't think a melee raid group will work. In fact I would say it would be impossible. IWT is finicky in PvE to say the least. Hit it at the wrong time when the mob moves and your entire raid is running off into the wild blue yonder forcing you to spam IWT to keep everyone hitting the target, albeit inefficiently and to keep everyone from running out of command range. Then you have to hit everyone follow me, pull everyone to you including anything you are fighting, and hit IWT once again to get everyone facing the target. Adds? Forget about it, you will just get overwhelmed.

Stick with ranged DPS IMO, use hunters for your physical DPS, and casters for magical. Only melee should be your tanks.

I think if you follow this approach you will avoid many, many headaches. Unless your entire raid are prot paladins. Then you just run in, and put WoG on round robin ;p

[Boylston]

I don't think a melee raid group will work. In fact I would say it would be impossible. IWT is finicky in PvE to say the least. Hit it at the wrong time when the mob moves and your entire raid is running off into the wild blue yonder forcing you to spam IWT to keep everyone hitting the target, albeit inefficiently and to keep everyone from running out of command range. Then you have to hit everyone follow me, pull everyone to you including anything you are fighting, and hit IWT once again to get everyone facing the target. Adds? Forget about it, you will just get overwhelmed.

Stick with ranged DPS IMO, use hunters for your physical DPS, and casters for magical. Only melee should be your tanks.

I think if you follow this approach you will avoid many, many headaches. Unless your entire raid are prot paladins. Then you just run in, and put WoG on round robin ;p

Please don't disturb Senors Quixote and Panza.

[doommachine]

Melee is by far my favorite over casters. I havent meant to be so stubborn about it. I came in asking how to make melee work and you people with the experience are basicaly saying not to even try it. I should listen and will likely be proven wrong. We shall see what happens. I havent even started my teams yet. Lol. Plenty of time to decide to go all or mostly all casters. And in reality (i believe) those that were successful with melee did it around the end of wrath after the nerfs and they were overgeared for the places. Which makes it far easier than trying to replicate it in cata even 6 months from now. Thank you for your help and opinions. I cant wait to share my results with you no matter what they are.

[Bigfish]

Raid boxing seems a silly thing to throw time and money at. I should know, I've done it. Raids are designed around an entirely different philosphy than 5 mans. In a 5-man, you play your role, and that's the extent of it. On its own, neither tanking nor dps nor healing is diffucult. Raids, however, are not designed around simply tanking or dpsing or healing. They are designed around each player individually paying attention to the scenario and reacting accordingly all while performing their typical party role.

What this means is that boxing raids scales in difficulty based on how many points of attention there are. 1-2 things to pay attention to? Not really hard. 3-4 gets iffy. 5-6 things get dowright annoying. And then you have to factor in how well you can automate your team, and how fast you can switch your point of attention. From personal experience, I spent more time writing macros to deal with each encounter than I really should have, and eventually it just gets really annoying, so much so that I would just consider botting the thing were it not against the ToS and probably not as simple as I would like to think.

[doommachine]

im still going to try to make melee work even if its only a few. But id be just as happy getting it to work with all casters. Going to go watch youtube vids now if you have any suggestions.

[Bigfish]

Melee is by far my favorite over casters. I havent meant to be so stubborn about it. I came in asking how to make melee work and you people with the experience are basicaly saying not to even try it. I should listen and will likely be proven wrong. We shall see what happens. I havent even started my teams yet. Lol. Plenty of time to decide to go all or mostly all casters. And in reality (i believe) those that were successful with melee did it around the end of wrath after the nerfs and they were overgeared for the places. Which makes it far easier than trying to replicate it in cata even 6 months from now. Thank you for your help and opinions. I cant wait to share my results with you no matter what they are.

Being one of the original melee boxers, let me tell you, your single biggest pain will be encounter design based on the concept of ranged DPS being at, well, range. It doesn't come up often, but when it does its REALLY annoying. Nothing quite like everyone needing to be spread out so far or a whirlwind that is there just as a big "F You" to all melee teams. You don't see it too much in 5-man, particularly now with the LFG tool meaning you may get a misbalanced team for such things, but for raids, they plan around composition, and all melee is a no go. But, your money.

[doommachine]

@bigfish Well from the very beginning ive said that i would start all or mostly melee and adjust from there. It was never my intent to go all melee and leave it that way no matter what. From all the feedback ive gotten ive even conceded that i might not have any melee left when i get done except tanks. And am now planning to level 25 casters (originaly had said 15) to go with my 25man mostly melee team.

[Boylston]

I havent even started my teams yet. Lol.

LOL Indeed.

[EaTCarbS]

Have fun running 25 - I run 9 right now and it takes more work and effort than you may realize.

[doommachine]

Hmmmm whats the feasibility of a 25man raid that is nothing but PROT PALADINS? *shudders* i hate pallys.