10/25 box raid melee team

[doommachine]

thanks for the help. Ill run dk, pally and bear for 25 but with 10 ill start with dk and bear and see what happens. Switch out bear for pally if needed. I think the last thing i need answered is if you guys max out 2 profs on the toons you raid with? I know it would be expensive but if it gave me enough of an advantage it would be worth it to me.

[Boylston]

Best thing you can do, doommachine, is stop spamming the forums with all kinds of help requests and go out and play a PvE team to L85. Then you'll have a better feel for what you're doing and what you're up against, multi-boxing-wise.

I think we all try to be helpful, but you're asking a ton of questions from the perspective of a complete novice. You're not going to plan the entire "25-man raid" thing out before you get started. Get some experience, then ask good questions based off that experience...

[Sam DeathWalker]

I asked a lot of questions when I first started playing wow and was also told "stop theory crafting and go and play". I really wish I would have spent months more theory crafting.

I screwed up my raf's twice before coming up with the best way to grant, and I went with ele shaman for dps instead of the fire mages I am making now. Not sure if a lot more theory crafting would have helped but ....

My current way to raf (on my forum for 49cents) is that you can get X (the number for total accounts you have) level 60's if you level X-2 level 30's and 2 level 60's, and do one transfer.

Anyway if he wants to ask "noob" questions then many will answer them, those who don't like these kinds of threads are not being forced to read his "spam".

The only foolish question is the one you don't ask.

[Sam DeathWalker]

As to his actualy questions.

I am very very sceptical that mellee will work. IWT was a BIG plus for mellee players AND with the IsBoxer two step macros developed first by merc and fine tuned by aragent procs can be handled easy.

Still IWT can't be spamed from what I read.

I don't have any raid experience but I would look at the make up of what boxers have conqured raids and I am sure we will see that most are casters. By the way what is the highest level raid done "solo" boxer now days anyways. I think Merc was at the top last time I checked. Anyway thats waht I would relie upon.

One of the great things about WoW vs. EQ is that you don't really have to raid to have pvp competitive gear (the game is all about pvp to me). If you craft and pvp a lot you will get to 95 percent of the raider imo. In EQ you could never get near a full time raider without raiding.

Sure there is no substitute for actually doing it but research now saves time later. Just see what the big guilds do in these raids and emulate them (trying to replace mellee with casters in my opinion as mellee is bad news to boxers, I think, but there are some who have done melee well).

And back to shaman, well they are the only class that can have one of the best healers in teh game and one of the top six (?) dps as well and they are mail ..... and have self rez ..... Top 2 in healing and Top 6 in dps .....

Still with Fire Mage / Restro Sham I get Top 1 or 2 in healing and Top 1 dps for pvp (of casters anyways). Have to look up how fire mages do in PvE but I can think they are near the top as well.


To win at raids you will have to master IsBoxer and make macros spicific for each encounter. Thats a LOT of work but here are the two threads you have to understand completley, you have to know why they do what they do and how to modify your macros per each encounter (well similar encouters to what you have dont need redone).

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=32633

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=33080


And why I say you have make macros for each encounter is that you just can't have "max dps" rotations and fire off every proc as soon as its avalible and expect to win in complicated situations. Lets say a well placed ring of frost will save the raid right after mobs X appears. Well you have to come up with a way to macro that (if you know how much time before mob X appears then you can place "don't advance to next step" time limits in IsBoxer macros) or if Mob X appears randomly you have to place ring of frost on a seperate key and make sure that the mage that casts it when you press the key is facing the right way. All of these nuances are extremely difficult to program (if you want the encounter down to spaming a key or two) and need be custom for each encounter.

[blast3r]

I will be watching this thread with great interest. Going to have 10 pallies myself. Actually have 5 level 80 pallies and 5 somewhere around level 40.

[Boylston]

I can think of no better mentor for you, doommachine, than Sam Deathwalker.

I think you're in good hands now.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I'll take that as a compliment (even though I know better), thanx.

On a side note I just got Cata for $29.99 (one copy) a second ago (key was good) so maybe I be in cata sooner then I expected.

[Mercbeast]

I don't think a melee raid group will work. In fact I would say it would be impossible. IWT is finicky in PvE to say the least. Hit it at the wrong time when the mob moves and your entire raid is running off into the wild blue yonder forcing you to spam IWT to keep everyone hitting the target, albeit inefficiently and to keep everyone from running out of command range. Then you have to hit everyone follow me, pull everyone to you including anything you are fighting, and hit IWT once again to get everyone facing the target. Adds? Forget about it, you will just get overwhelmed.

Stick with ranged DPS IMO, use hunters for your physical DPS, and casters for magical. Only melee should be your tanks.

I think if you follow this approach you will avoid many, many headaches. Unless your entire raid are prot paladins. Then you just run in, and put WoG on round robin ;p

[Boylston]

I don't think a melee raid group will work. In fact I would say it would be impossible. IWT is finicky in PvE to say the least. Hit it at the wrong time when the mob moves and your entire raid is running off into the wild blue yonder forcing you to spam IWT to keep everyone hitting the target, albeit inefficiently and to keep everyone from running out of command range. Then you have to hit everyone follow me, pull everyone to you including anything you are fighting, and hit IWT once again to get everyone facing the target. Adds? Forget about it, you will just get overwhelmed.

Stick with ranged DPS IMO, use hunters for your physical DPS, and casters for magical. Only melee should be your tanks.

I think if you follow this approach you will avoid many, many headaches. Unless your entire raid are prot paladins. Then you just run in, and put WoG on round robin ;p

Please don't disturb Senors Quixote and Panza.

[Bigfish]

Raid boxing seems a silly thing to throw time and money at. I should know, I've done it. Raids are designed around an entirely different philosphy than 5 mans. In a 5-man, you play your role, and that's the extent of it. On its own, neither tanking nor dps nor healing is diffucult. Raids, however, are not designed around simply tanking or dpsing or healing. They are designed around each player individually paying attention to the scenario and reacting accordingly all while performing their typical party role.

What this means is that boxing raids scales in difficulty based on how many points of attention there are. 1-2 things to pay attention to? Not really hard. 3-4 gets iffy. 5-6 things get dowright annoying. And then you have to factor in how well you can automate your team, and how fast you can switch your point of attention. From personal experience, I spent more time writing macros to deal with each encounter than I really should have, and eventually it just gets really annoying, so much so that I would just consider botting the thing were it not against the ToS and probably not as simple as I would like to think.