10/25 box raid melee team

[doommachine]

spamming? You act as if im the only person to ever ask a question on this forum. Im new to the idea of multiboxing of course i have questions. And the answers dont just benefit me. An all melee raid team isnt an original idea. There are others that these questions could help too. Even after leveling a team to 85 i will still have questions. Like if any of you max 2 profs on all your toons you box with for the benefits when it comes to raiding or pvp? Youre the only one that seems to have a problem.

[Dorffo]

The topic of professions has been covered repeatedly and in depth - but in short: yes, max both professions on your raid toons for optimal min/max performance.

[Boylston]

spamming? You act as if im the only person to ever ask a question on this forum. Im new to the idea of multiboxing of course i have questions. And the answers dont just benefit me. An all melee raid team isnt an original idea. There are others that these questions could help too. Even after leveling a team to 85 i will still have questions. Like if any of you max 2 profs on all your toons you box with for the benefits when it comes to raiding or pvp? Youre the only one that seems to have a problem.

Spamming? Yes.

You started your account in December 2010 - as in, less than 17 days ago. (You've created 5 new threads in that time.)

I'm not the only one that "has a problem". Others have somewhat politely encouraged you to actually go out and try some 5-man stuff before inundating the forums with a.) basic gameplay questions that aren't multiboxing-specific or b.) silly to someone who's multiboxed more than a few weeks. Here's an example from someone other than me:

Its an interesting thought experiment, but I encourage you to Safety Dance a few times with just your 5 box rig now and get the feel for how this isn't a hardware issue at all. Just replicate a simple 5box setup and your done.

You might also preface these questions as thought experiments or what not.

I've been a helpful part of this community for years. Please don't take my comments as antagonistic-- there is no substitute for real multi-boxing experience! It's as if you are going to NASA and saying, "Hey, I'm planning a mission to Mars, and I have a few questions based off the few times I've flown as a passenger on a commercial airliner."

My fear, after having seen many posters like you come and go, is that in a few short days or weeks, there will be more questions that have the same spirit as your posts to-date. Something like, "Hey, does anyone have a good keybind setup for my <<insert whichever team you are starting to play>>?"

Doesn't help that you're almost certainly a native-English speaker and your grammar/punctuation is abysmal. It adds to my perception that you're lazy about this incredibly lofty goal that you have.

I love to help budding multi-boxers along. But I prefer it if they come with well researched questions, have tried something on their own first, and are trying to achieve reasonable goals. Again, there is no substitute (not even d-b.com) for experience...





I leave you with some of your own posts, read them from our perspective...

Hi everyone, im new to the site and am aspiring to be a multiboxer and eventually a 25 boxer (pve raiding). I was wondering what the logistics are of this kind of undertaking and what kind of computer i need to accomplish this with 1 machine and 6 monitors (#6 for browsing internet) and any ideas or suggestions you have for me or anyone else that would want to try this? Would i need a powerful computer like a $4500 iMac? Or could i grab a cheap computer and upgrade it for like $1500?

i was just thinking that 1 computer would be alot simpler to set up. And ive read that its doable. Its also what i would prefer to do unless 2 or 3 machines would improve performance. And ya i could spend $2,000 and build a computer that makes a mac look like a paperweight with such party tricks as HEY LOOK WHAT I CAN DO *crashes the internet* BUT wheres the fun it that?

well based on the replies ive decided to go with 3 computers. 2 to run 4 slave monitors and 1 beast to run the mains monitor and browsing monitor. Also, im aware that i dont get anything extra from 25 boxing raids instead of 10 boxing. Its just an idea at this point but its what i want to do atm. Im going to RAF arund 40 toons anyway to have a ton of alchemists. So 25 boxing would be a way to make use of them. Ill RAF all the toons i want and begin 10 boxing raids. After that ill decide if i realy want to 25 box or just 10. Thanks for your help guys and any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
yes im aware of that. Im just a lil crazy in the head and have taken my 10 boxing idea and am turning it into a 25 boxing idea. Plus it would give me alot more roflstomping power in world pvp.

i was thinking of doing some world pvp with my 25 boxing once in awhile for a change of pace. Would it be best to be on a pvp server or would a pve server do just as well? Also how to i make a signature (like how you list your server and what toons you have and all that)? Thanks for you help, Doommachine

@ualaa This is a great idea. Im going to try it out. Should be way faster than i thought it was going to take (6 months or more). Even tho i currently only have 1 account, with an 80 and 2 15s. It shouldnt be long til i have the money to get the computers and accounts (2-3 months).

@merc In the same post you basicaly said to use said to use druids or to not us them...i take that as it realy being anybodys guess as to what is better, especialy 6 months down the road. I just figured that even tho none are any good now due to lack of gear, that there would still be one that stood out as the favorite/best. If this was wrath i think id be fine with 6 shammies chain healing, but that got nerfed into the ground. And with my lack of experience i have no idea what to do.

@zenga My only raid experience were solo on my war tank. Never made it past gunship. I will watch vids and study as much as i can. Im not worried about leveling toons and then i cant use them, ill be making 40 alchemists so i can use them anyway. Plus im going to level 15 or so casters/rdps/heals to tweak my line up as needed. @bloodcloud I will certainly be recording and posting my attempts for everyone to laught at and learn from (as in now i know not to use 16 melee dps).

so chain heal is worthless? There goes my plan...any idea if it would be best to have all your healers the same class/spec to make healing simpler?

@kedash Controlling everything from the main healer sounds like a great idea. Also would i need 2 or 3 tanks for 25 man? What would the ratio of melee/caster need to be? 10 melee/5 caster, 7-8 of each or like 5 melee/10 caster?

Multiple alchemists is like printing money. But besides alchemy, what is the best profession with a cd to have multiple of? Tailoring to make money off the dreamcloth cd? (Which would be from the gear or whatever you craft since dreamcloth is BOP.) or Jewelcrafting with the fire prisms? Or blacksmithing with the its cds? Which would be the most profitable?

hmmm...anyone feel like donating 1 million gold so i can max 40 alchemists and 40 tailors? Lol. Stacking JCs is an interesting idea but i cant justify it in my mind if you cant sell all your green and blue quality gems youd get from prospecting on the level that Shodokan was talking about.


how do i make a kill on site list and how does it notify me when i come across an enemy thats on that list? As for me i love trying to kill any ally i come across. I having started boxing yet but i cant wait til i do and am strongly considering making my 25man raiding team on a pvp server. Ive been on both pve and pvp server and my current is pve. When i was on vek'nilash (pve) me on my prot war and an ally dk were farming in ungoro and battled each time we crossed paths for roughly 2 hours. I lost most of em but it was intense and tons of fun.


You have to be lvl 84 to go into the phased zone. Not too much of an inconvenance(sp?) to go 9 lvls higher to add a ton of gold to your mindless goldmaking scheme. So do you just have to go to the phased zone to learn recipes/ get training? Or do the tailoring toons have to repeatedly go there or stay there?


any idea if the dreamcloth bop will be removed eventually? Like in 6 months? It makes no sense to leave it bop the whole expansion. Blizz might as well come out and tell tailors theyre not allowed to make gold this xpac...


thanks for the help. Ill run dk, pally and bear for 25 but with 10 ill start with dk and bear and see what happens. Switch out bear for pally if needed. I think the last thing i need answered is if you guys max out 2 profs on the toons you raid with? I know it would be expensive but if it gave me enough of an advantage it would be worth it to me.

[Kedash00]

Again, there is no substitute (not even d-b.com) for experience...

Truth

[Sam DeathWalker]

I asked a lot of questions when I first started playing wow and was also told "stop theory crafting and go and play". I really wish I would have spent months more theory crafting.

I screwed up my raf's twice before coming up with the best way to grant, and I went with ele shaman for dps instead of the fire mages I am making now. Not sure if a lot more theory crafting would have helped but ....

My current way to raf (on my forum for 49cents) is that you can get X (the number for total accounts you have) level 60's if you level X-2 level 30's and 2 level 60's, and do one transfer.

Anyway if he wants to ask "noob" questions then many will answer them, those who don't like these kinds of threads are not being forced to read his "spam".

The only foolish question is the one you don't ask.

[Sam DeathWalker]

As to his actualy questions.

I am very very sceptical that mellee will work. IWT was a BIG plus for mellee players AND with the IsBoxer two step macros developed first by merc and fine tuned by aragent procs can be handled easy.

Still IWT can't be spamed from what I read.

I don't have any raid experience but I would look at the make up of what boxers have conqured raids and I am sure we will see that most are casters. By the way what is the highest level raid done "solo" boxer now days anyways. I think Merc was at the top last time I checked. Anyway thats waht I would relie upon.

One of the great things about WoW vs. EQ is that you don't really have to raid to have pvp competitive gear (the game is all about pvp to me). If you craft and pvp a lot you will get to 95 percent of the raider imo. In EQ you could never get near a full time raider without raiding.

Sure there is no substitute for actually doing it but research now saves time later. Just see what the big guilds do in these raids and emulate them (trying to replace mellee with casters in my opinion as mellee is bad news to boxers, I think, but there are some who have done melee well).

And back to shaman, well they are the only class that can have one of the best healers in teh game and one of the top six (?) dps as well and they are mail ..... and have self rez ..... Top 2 in healing and Top 6 in dps .....

Still with Fire Mage / Restro Sham I get Top 1 or 2 in healing and Top 1 dps for pvp (of casters anyways). Have to look up how fire mages do in PvE but I can think they are near the top as well.


To win at raids you will have to master IsBoxer and make macros spicific for each encounter. Thats a LOT of work but here are the two threads you have to understand completley, you have to know why they do what they do and how to modify your macros per each encounter (well similar encouters to what you have dont need redone).

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=32633

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=33080


And why I say you have make macros for each encounter is that you just can't have "max dps" rotations and fire off every proc as soon as its avalible and expect to win in complicated situations. Lets say a well placed ring of frost will save the raid right after mobs X appears. Well you have to come up with a way to macro that (if you know how much time before mob X appears then you can place "don't advance to next step" time limits in IsBoxer macros) or if Mob X appears randomly you have to place ring of frost on a seperate key and make sure that the mage that casts it when you press the key is facing the right way. All of these nuances are extremely difficult to program (if you want the encounter down to spaming a key or two) and need be custom for each encounter.

[blast3r]

I will be watching this thread with great interest. Going to have 10 pallies myself. Actually have 5 level 80 pallies and 5 somewhere around level 40.

[doommachine]

@dorf Thank you

Maybe youre not trying to be antagonistic. But im completely missing youre point. I dont understand what the problem is with attempting to gain knowledge from those that have experience? I also have no idea how you could think i am lazy based on my questions. I also find it hilarious that you think theres a point in posting all my posts back to me. Have a great day mr. Elitist.

@sam Thank you. Its mistakes like this that i am looking to avoid.

@sam thank you for the explanations and links. They will help a great deal.

[Boylston]

I can think of no better mentor for you, doommachine, than Sam Deathwalker.

I think you're in good hands now.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I'll take that as a compliment (even though I know better), thanx.

On a side note I just got Cata for $29.99 (one copy) a second ago (key was good) so maybe I be in cata sooner then I expected.