Mosg2's DK Manifesto

[Multibocks]

i still think in a perfect world you're going to want to mix DK specs for optimal DPS. think of all the time it took to tweak your frost, it'd probably take even longer to get everything working right with 2 more or 3 different spec'ed DK's at once.

that being said we don't operate under perfect settings and it very well may be that 4 frost is the way to go simply due to more simultaneous burst from all those HB's hitting at once.

i love seeing viable arena teams that are truly 5 boxed. 4+1 friend is cool, but I don't think we've had a real 5 boxer get gladiator since the Ellay days with 5 shaman - correct me if i'm wrong i've been out of it for a while.

you mean you didn't get gladiator for your paladin team??

[Kromtor]

nope, if i remember correctly i was in the top 10 but my stupid battlegroup had such low active teams that it wasn't high enough.

[Shodokan]

nope, if i remember correctly i was in the top 10 but my stupid battlegroup had such low active teams that it wasn't high enough.

highest 5's on my battlegroup is 1800... like 300 points behind every other battlegroup. i'm going to have to deal with that.

[Kromtor]

well it's a fair system they have, you just gotta be in the top 0.5% of the active teams in your battlegroup to get gladiator. you'll be at a disadvantage getting to 2200 when you're on a low population server but it's not really an excuse for not getting gladiator. My team just wasn't good enough to get it - good teams will kite your pants off even on the easier maps - and on the bridge map you might as well quit vs. a competent team.

they're already planning on nerfing necrotic strike by making it resilience affected, not sure if that'll be enough to jeopardize the DK team. msog2 is gearing up fast though and looking good.

[Shodokan]

well it's a fair system they have, you just gotta be in the top 0.5% of the active teams in your battlegroup to get gladiator. you'll be at a disadvantage getting to 2200 when you're on a low population server but it's not really an excuse for not getting gladiator. My team just wasn't good enough to get it - good teams will kite your pants off even on the easier maps - and on the bridge map you might as well quit vs. a competent team.

they're already planning on nerfing necrotic strike by making it resilience affected, not sure if that'll be enough to jeopardize the DK team. msog2 is gearing up fast though and looking good.

The reduction in healing for 4x dks won't matter really, even if effected by resil. You are still getting 4*(.6 ( .75*ap)) Assuming 10k AP you get 18k healing reduction per necrotic applied by your team, which is still unhealable considering you can get one on the target every 2-3 seconds.

[Noids]

The reduction in healing for 4x dks won't matter really, even if effected by resil. You are still getting 4*(.6 ( .75*ap)) Assuming 10k AP you get 18k healing reduction per necrotic applied by your team, which is still unhealable considering you can get one on the target every 2-3 seconds.

Yeah I agree. The only nerf that would really affect NS for us is if they stopped it stacking as it does currently. Mind you the theorycrafting we were doing pre XP assumed that it probably wouldn't stack anyway, so not sure this is a massive problem.

[Mosg2]

NS not being affected by resilience was most likely an oversight and it doesn't bother me at all that it's going to get fixed. In 2's/3's a competent DK can get 80k healing debuff on a target through a Strangulate/Ghoul Stun. It being affected by resilience changes nothing for this team--This team is about ridiculous melee-dps that's easy to one-button mash combined with ridiculous mobility via DG, AMS, Trinket, Snares, and great ranged DPS.

The fact that they acknowledge DK's need more mobility means we're probably going to get something that breaks the team for boxing even worse than NS

[Boylston]

I just blew up my first pack of 10 people in a level 69 BG last night. Damn you, mosg2...

One question-- if you folks have spent time leveling in instances, did you run one Blood DK as a tank?? I've cleared Utgarde Keep a couple times using all frost spec (but killing bosses with everyone in Blood Presence, if appropriate). It's a little dodgy on bosses, and I feel like my healer is repeatedly saving the day on the tougher guys. I wonder if I should dual-spec one into Blood and setup a true tank for at least the boss fights...

[Mercbeast]

I just blew up my first pack of 10 people in a level 69 BG last night. Damn you, mosg2...

One question-- if you folks have spent time leveling in instances, did you run one Blood DK as a tank?? I've cleared Utgarde Keep a couple times using all frost spec (but killing bosses with everyone in Blood Presence, if appropriate). It's a little dodgy on bosses, and I feel like my healer is repeatedly saving the day on the tougher guys. I wonder if I should dual-spec one into Blood and setup a true tank for at least the boss fights...

I've done a little instancing with my group. In some instances I run 1 blood DK and the rest frost, in some instances I run everyone blood and I have everyone DW.

The passive healing you generate through blood worms is almost more healing than you need for any normal instance.

As a melee group, I don't bother with heroics, I've downed a few bosses but for what I am doing it simply is not worth it.

My main blood DK however has 5 359 (think they are 359!?) epics and is over 160k HP with BoK so she can tank all the heroics pretty easily, the problem is how many fights are just totally unsuited to melee groups.

[Boylston]

Thanks for the input, Mercbeast!

My main concern is just having some fun levelling in Northrend content. I'm trying to make sure the team gets the daily BG and the daily dungeon done each day, and rest XP+instancing is real nice. Besides, there are some good 2H blue rewards along the way (UK, DTK, etc) that are handy to have for BGs.

I hadn't considered seriously going all Blood, but it makes sense. I could probably run my priest in Discipline Smite Spam mode to help top off any lowbies. I am probably one of the few people with a priest who is spec Disc/Holy.