Hermes - a new cooldown addon

[Bloodcloud]

No options for click through or not showing the tooltip. I'll think about that. I think it's not going to be a common request but feel free to suggest otherwise. I'm just speculating.

Since pressing the button doesn't do anything, no click-through necessary.
An option to switching off the mouse over would be nice (since I have a mixed team and only one of each every ability is only on one toon, so the mouseover info has there no added value. I agree that in a raid it is valuable info)

Spell-IDs ...

all works fine now.

I just added ALL spell IDs for the racial abilities. The abilities are per CLASS. which actually gives my multiclass team one icon per toon, which is great

Same happened with Archangel. I just added all. will filter later on "someone is sending it" and ore make a container per toon.
Found the right Mirror Image and it is being sent - great

The item view request is the tricky part. It does actually show the amount of items, but it's not really how many items there are TOTAL. It's how many players have at least one of that item. Which is the point of Hermes. It *should* be showing you how many players have at least one of that item. If it's not please let me know. I think summing up the total amount of items across all players and displaying that (if that's what you're requesting) isn't the idea behind Hermes. Please correct me as I am guessing I'm misunderstanding.

I mean in detail the Mana gem (see second container) would be nice if I would see for that item how many my Mage still has.
(not all the Mages in my team

I doubt that it will work for the soul shards, since they are no item or spell. they are something like combo points for rogues ??



Is there any way of forcing an order in the icons, like first this spell, then this ability, then this item ...

GREAT stuff this Addon.

Cheers
BC

[Alge]

I (partly) avoid the issue of having to add multiple SpellIDs by using the addon SpellID on all my characters. To find the SpellID I can then switch to that character and mouseover the spell in its spellbook. I believe there is an equivalent for ItemIDs.

Paperplate, would you think about incorporating this functionality into your addon? It might solve some of the frustrations of setting up Hermes for new users. They would still need to ask the other members of their raid to mouseover the spell or item but at least there wouldn't be an additional addon to install. Maybe make an option to show SpellID/ItemID in the tooltip.

I doubt that it will work for the soul shards, since they are no item or spell. they are something like combo points for rogues ??

Soul Shards (and Holy Power for Pallies and Eclipse for Druids) are actually a form of Power (like mana, energy and rage) I believe. They should be able to be monitored by a standard unit or raid frame addon (possibly with some tinkering). I could do using LuaTexts in Pitbull for instance.

Oooh, just saw the latest alpha release of Hermes has container positioning - will have to play with that this afternoon

[Paperplate]

Throwing spellid in the tooltip is a fantastic idea. I'll definitely do that.

In regard to positioning. There is a bit of a complexity in regard to the anchor point and that fact that you really don't have control over width/height. If your anchor point is always upper left, then no issues. But if it's something else then things might not line up as one expects. I might change the positioning behavior before the next beta. Long story short, the "free flowing layout" design causes more issues than I'd ever have anticipated!

[Paperplate]

I changed X, Y positioning behavior and I'm going to push an actual release. These things can stay in beta forever, what's the point?

[Mercurio]

This is fabulous Paperplate. From the perspective of a solo raid boxer, this may actually allow me to use some of the cool tricks that are available to all the classes. To this point I've just been using the basics because using all the extras has just seemed unmanagable.

Thanks for all the hard work!

[Paperplate]

I can't get over 10 man raids run by one person.........:P You guys impress the hell out of me.

Bloodcloud, glad things are working out ok for you. I opted not to add the hiding of the tooltip because it's such an integral feature for the intended use of Hermes that it seems self defeating. BUT, that doesn't mean I don't understand why you want the behavior changed.

If you're at all comfortable with Lua it's real easy to comment out some code yourself. Open up Display.lua and locate line 1385 (in Release 1.0):

Change this:

function OnButtonEnter(button, mousebutton)
    if(not button:IsDragging()) then --don't show the tooltip if we're dragging
        HermesDisplay:ShowTooltip(button, button)
    end
end

To this (add two dashes):

function OnButtonEnter(button, mousebutton)
    if(not button:IsDragging()) then --don't show the tooltip if we're dragging
        --HermesDisplay:ShowTooltip(button, button)
    end
end

[Alge]

Congrats on the release Paperplate. It has been an interesting process watching the development of Hermes in real-time.

I had one minor issue but was unable to reproduce it. I have one container with one spell cooldown and two item cooldowns in it. At some point the item cooldown buttons disappeared from the container (presumably because the addon thought there were no senders). I was able to make them re-appear by togging (twice) the check box for hiding cooldowns without senders - it was initially checked.

I've been playing around with my layout of Bartender and Hermes and came up with the arrangement shown below. The smaller blue-bordered buttons are Hermes, the larger black-bordered ones are Bartender. Being able to monitor both sets of cooldowns (master and slaves) like this has given me a significant increase in DPS. Thanks



Alge

[Paperplate]

At some point the item cooldown buttons disappeared from the container (presumably because the addon thought there were no senders). I was able to make them re-appear by togging (twice) the check box for hiding cooldowns without senders - it was initially checked.

Sounds like a tough one. What were the itemid's for the items. The least I can do is document them in case other reports come in. Also, was it a party or raid environment? I'm assuming party. Did anyone die around that time frame, get disconnected, or anything else that Hermes might have picked up on?

I think your assumption is correct about Hermes hiding it. You didn't happen to have the second option checked did you? There are two:
1. Hide Buttons without Senders
2. Hide Buttons without available Senders.

Also, as a shortcut if this happens again, especially while in combat, you can shift + left click a button to resync it.

[Paperplate]

On a completely off topic note here, I'm very curious how you dual box with your paladins. I think you are using 4 in your screenshot. I see a 4 next to Righteous Defense so I assume you have 4. For something like Crusader Strike, do you just wait until Hermes shows "4" and then hit one button that's mapped to all 4 paladins using the ability? Or do you more or less mash buttons and use the cooldown indicator to know when you can mash it again (and you don't really know who has it available you just know the toom that does will use it). I'm just curious of your general approach and how Hermes helps.

Thank you.

[Paperplate]

Also, I'm guessing that being able to have a Sender filter out spell requests would be useful to you. For example, if one one of your paladins is healing you wouldn't want to broadcast DPS or Tank related cooldowns.

I've wondered when someone would ask for some sort of blacklist/filering options on the senders end but no one has brought it up yet