Quote Originally Posted by zenga View Post
People can play the game the way they want to, as long as they play it solo. WoW has certain mechanics that require you not to play the way you want while in group: their are roles and objectives. I'll give examples:

- the objective of a quest is to complete it, and take your reward
- the objective of an instance/raid is fight your way up to a boss and kill it
- the objective of a battleground is to win it, by capping flags, towers, and kill enemies

Thus:

- a tank should keep the mobs off the party members and thus not decide to dps instead of tanking, just like a healer is supposed to heal and not tank or dps, if you decide otherwise because you play the way you want to, you screw other people up
- if you decide to just do whatever you want in a bg, instead of trying to go for the objectives (cap flag, tower, ...) then you ignore the very basic mechanics of the game, and you screw it up for others

For both mechanics / roles there is gear, spells and stats. And for each talent spec / class there is a right (+excellent) and wrong (+terrible) way to do it. If you decide just to ignore all that and play the way you want in a group, then you screw it up for others. If others in this group tell you that you are doing something wrong (and due to that give them a worse time), the only sensible thing to do is listen to it, consider it and see how you can fill your role in that group better next time.

And as a boxer your responsibility in a group is even bigger. But I think that's been explained enough in this topic. If you want to ignore certain facts and blame others for criticizing, and rather put the focus on how they say something rather than on what they are saying, I believe this discussion is kinda pointless.
I see your points and while they are valid they are idealistic viewpoints. All whiners have idealistic viewpoints, I remember so well from my days of Counterstrike on public servers where people STILL TO THIS DAY complain about flashbangs (team flash), sniper rifles, camping, teamblocking and everything else - according to them its not their own fault for failing to adjust or the games fault these features are in the game but the other players fault because they overuse or abuse these features.

The idealistic viewpoint you have enables you to complain forever and in all games because there is no possible way to solve any of it.

Thus you are left with TWO options:
1. Complain about everything annoying for the rest of your gaming life and being annoying to those ufortunate enough to share your chat channels
2. Just deal with the fact that players will do things in their own ways and no amount of complaining or whining can change it. If its not possible to change why should you spend any energy on it?

Dont get me wrong, Im not really meaning its RIGHT for other players to do stupid things to counter the objectives. Im saying since you cant STOP them from doing that its wrong for you to care so much about what they do. Just let them do whatever they do because they will do it anyway - the only thing that is RIGHT for you is to have fun regardless of other people passively or actively attempting to spoil your fun.

The realistic viewpoint is more in the direction of blaming the game and not the player, if its possible to be lame then people are going to be lame because the game allows them to.
Blizzard actually knows this and thats why they implement features such as dungeon vote kick - its fully possible for a tank to go about dpsing but because the game has a vote kick feature you can expect him to do his job or just replace him. Without vote kick you would have to expect the tank and other party members to sometimes be dicks who do their best in making sure no one finishes the instance by causing wipes and pulling adds etc.

So yeah, you can fight your crusade and claim you are right because other players are doing the wrong things but I distinguish between right and wrong as being smart and stupid choices and thats why I disagree with you. Since your crusade and whining can go on forever and the players that annoy you will not change then its a wasted effort and accomplishes nothing - waste of time and just stupid to do and therefor not worth doing. It might even spoil some of your fun.
I totally agree that you should complain and whine tons on the Blizzard Suggestion Forum - that will probably help as if enough people complain there features such as Dungeon Vote Kick or Report Player AFK will be added. But whining in chat channels in game is just annoying to other players and is good for nothing..

I mean like, what are you really trying to achieve by complaining? Do you think it will help and that one day you will no longer have to complain any longer?

*curious*

valkry, I think Ive been mixing up you and zenga, Im sorry I didnt intend to shove words in your mouth.