pvp and haters

[zenga]

You wrote you deserved verbal punishment if you caused your team to lose. If 15 mediocre gladiators meet 15 great gladiators then according to you these mediocre gladiators deserve verbal punishment.

Mate i wrote that if a boxer brings more than 1 toon and plays crap he deserves to be blamed for it and hated. I did not write anywhere that it had to be verbal. Blaming someone for a loss can be done in several ways. Hate is something you can keep to yourself, though the connotation of that word might be different in our native languages.

If someone is a crappy player, he should refrain from bringing more crappy players to AB/WsG, because he screws up the game for others. He should try to improve solo first, and only box when he is confident enough he won't screw up. That has nothing to do with elitism, that is just common sense and being a decent person. The crappy boxer who think he is entitled to screw up the game for his fellow teammates is the jerk here. So your example does not make sense since it's for solo purposes, while my comments (and those of others in this thread) were aimed at boxers. Please stop taking statements out of their context.

Also there is no way for you to know if a player is a newbie trying hard or a pro slacking.
I've played with people that used demoralizing shout instead of maul because they fought it dealt more damage - the animation of the shout has the bear rising up and smashing down on opponents but it deals 0 dmg.
And also someone using volley to single target dps also thinking it dealt the most damage with dozens of arrows raining down.

I agree to a certain extend here, and recognize your examples. But if the player says he is a newbie, then that's a good indication for me. If a player has badge gear, and even a couple icc epics, that I don't consider him as a newbie when he pulls aggro, use the wrong spells or has no enchants whatsoever. Then they are slacking, lazy or complete wow-idiots.

BTW the examples you listed are outright whine and complaining. It helps for nothing except show the world how short a fuse you have and little patience before you must vent out frustration.

Well if someone told me in my first SotA that I had to attack demo's instead of players, regardless how he said it, I considered what he said and did a quick google. It improved my performance in the end.

If someone told me that I should wait till the tank has aggro before dps'ing, then I knew i was doing something wrong.

I don't see how that is venting out frustration, those our simple indications telling a player they are doing something wrong.

We might see the world totally different, and that's fine by me as long as the discussion happens in a normal way, i.e. don't put words in the mouth of someone, when he never said that.