pvp and haters

[Boylston]

My battlegroup has seen me play enough that some people cheer when I'm in their BG. I take control of the BG, tell them I'm multiboxing and that they need to listen to my instructions in order to win.

I recommend scaling back characters in the smaller BGs unless you are VERY good. I still contend that 4 is the optimal number for almost all BGs. If you are new, undergeared, or an "average" player, I would not take more than 3 into WSG, for instance.

If you bring 5 characters into WSG and then cause a loss, you deserve the verbal punishment.

I've been boxing long enough that most people who know me are quite happy to see me in the BG!

[valkry]

If you bring 5 characters into WSG and then cause a loss, you deserve the verbal punishment.

If you bring ANY character/s into WSG and cause a loss, you deserve the verbal punishment.

[Pycno]

If you bring ANY character/s into WSG and cause a loss, you deserve the verbal punishment.

Whats next - if your rating is below 2000 and your resilience below 1000 you also deserve verbal punishment?


Ive seen alot of really bad players and some dont dare go into battlegrounds or even dungeons because they are afraid of getting flamed. Imagine your girlfriend or wife playing the game from time to time and is not as updated as everyone else into everything and then some crazy nerd rager goes enrage on her because she took an sub-optimal item unknowingly or didnt manage to heal someone fast enough in a battleground.
Seriously, not everyone will be at your level of skill, gear and dedication - people should accept that instead of flaming lesser skilled players.

[zenga]

Whats next - if your rating is below 2000 and your resilience below 1000 you also deserve verbal punishment?


Ive seen alot of really bad players and some dont dare go into battlegrounds or even dungeons because they are afraid of getting flamed. Imagine your girlfriend or wife playing the game from time to time and is not as updated as everyone else into everything and then some crazy nerd rager goes enrage on her because she took an sub-optimal item unknowingly or didnt manage to heal someone fast enough in a battleground.
Seriously, not everyone will be at your level of skill, gear and dedication - people should accept that instead of flaming lesser skilled players.

There is a difference between stupid elitism and common sense. Personally I have a lot of resistance myself to get into more experienced / skilled groups when I'm not at their level (yet). Not so true anymore for wow at the moment, but that is a general attitude I have in games. Not that I lack confidence, more that I have a realistic view on my skills and I don't want to fuck up fellow players their game. The only thing I expect from players who play in my group, is that they do their best.

In wow doing your best means that you read the tooltips, your spells and your talents. That you think for a second how much damage a certain spell does and how you can contribute to your goup. That doesn't mean that you should know each and every tactic in the game. But doing also means that you ask for help or inform others that you are unsure about something.

I don't see why they couldn't join battlegrounds when they have no experience. Getting killed over and over only affects yourself, and not so much the whole group. In a heroic dungeon however, you screw it up for others. It seems that heroics are considered trivial content, and that newly dinged lvl 80 players should start there. Well I strongly disagree. There is also a normal version of the dungeons, it's called heroics for a good reason. There are enough means to get better at something without screwing other players up.

Today I was queuing up with my tank for a random hc, HoL. As I'm pretty well geared (59k hp buffed), I chain pulled the first packs, the priest ran oom and we wiped. He felt sorry and told so in party chat. But he did what he could do and it was my fault to judge wrong. He just dinged 80 with his first toon and his brother warlock was doing a first HC with him, so he could not get kicked. There was also a warrior and a dk. Warrior did 3K over dungeon, lock 1.6 and dk 1.1. We wiped 2 more times when the priest ninja pulled a couple of mobs right before 2nd boss. But that was just inexperience. But he asked questions about where to stand, he informed me when he was low on mana and when he had a cooldown. Everyone stayed the whole dungeon, and after about 50 minutes we cleared it. And we ended up doing a couple more hc's flawlessly minus the dk. Long story short: the priest clearly did his best, he was just inexperienced. But he realized that and showed a good attitude. And I rather spend time in the game with someone like him over a moronic player in fancy epics who doesn't have a clue how to play his class and says 'lolz m8 relax, itz only game, I dont need gems'.

That being said, I think the post you referred to was meant for multiboxers. There is always a 50% chance that a player is either bad or good. If you bring more than 1 toon into a bg, and you are bad, you basically increase the groups bad ratio, and you should imo refrain from doing it, because you screw up other players their game. Until you are good enough to bring multiple toons into a small BG to not affect the groups bad ratio, stick to AV, wintergrasp or isle of conquest to practice.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

And I rather spend time in the game with someone like him over a moronic player in fancy epics who doesn't have a clue how to play his class and says 'lolz m8 relax, itz only game, I dont need gems'.

Soooo true.

[valkry]

Whats next - if your rating is below 2000 and your resilience below 1000 you also deserve verbal punishment?


Ive seen alot of really bad players and some dont dare go into battlegrounds or even dungeons because they are afraid of getting flamed. Imagine your girlfriend or wife playing the game from time to time and is not as updated as everyone else into everything and then some crazy nerd rager goes enrage on her because she took an sub-optimal item unknowingly or didnt manage to heal someone fast enough in a battleground.
Seriously, not everyone will be at your level of skill, gear and dedication - people should accept that instead of flaming lesser skilled players.

I don't think you read it correctly. If you CAUSE the loss. If you are the REASOn why the team loses. Then you deserve the verbal punishment. This can be achieved through any number of ways... why did you immediately jump to gear issues? I never even mentioned that.

PS: Posted this after reading the first sentence in your post, didn't read anything after that due to my amazement.