pvp and haters

[Kicksome]

he enhancement and the ele start to whine, that I should only roll once ...

I'd say, that's fine, I'll just use my highest roll.

[Ualaa]

Depends on the loot rules, going in. If you agree to one roll per player, then go with that. The default is one roll per character; but there's usually one player per character.

But, if you had only brought one of your toons, and three different players had each also brought a single shaman, the other two shammies would not object at all...

[Pycno]

If you bring ANY character/s into WSG and cause a loss, you deserve the verbal punishment.

Whats next - if your rating is below 2000 and your resilience below 1000 you also deserve verbal punishment?


Ive seen alot of really bad players and some dont dare go into battlegrounds or even dungeons because they are afraid of getting flamed. Imagine your girlfriend or wife playing the game from time to time and is not as updated as everyone else into everything and then some crazy nerd rager goes enrage on her because she took an sub-optimal item unknowingly or didnt manage to heal someone fast enough in a battleground.
Seriously, not everyone will be at your level of skill, gear and dedication - people should accept that instead of flaming lesser skilled players.

[zenga]

Whats next - if your rating is below 2000 and your resilience below 1000 you also deserve verbal punishment?


Ive seen alot of really bad players and some dont dare go into battlegrounds or even dungeons because they are afraid of getting flamed. Imagine your girlfriend or wife playing the game from time to time and is not as updated as everyone else into everything and then some crazy nerd rager goes enrage on her because she took an sub-optimal item unknowingly or didnt manage to heal someone fast enough in a battleground.
Seriously, not everyone will be at your level of skill, gear and dedication - people should accept that instead of flaming lesser skilled players.

There is a difference between stupid elitism and common sense. Personally I have a lot of resistance myself to get into more experienced / skilled groups when I'm not at their level (yet). Not so true anymore for wow at the moment, but that is a general attitude I have in games. Not that I lack confidence, more that I have a realistic view on my skills and I don't want to fuck up fellow players their game. The only thing I expect from players who play in my group, is that they do their best.

In wow doing your best means that you read the tooltips, your spells and your talents. That you think for a second how much damage a certain spell does and how you can contribute to your goup. That doesn't mean that you should know each and every tactic in the game. But doing also means that you ask for help or inform others that you are unsure about something.

I don't see why they couldn't join battlegrounds when they have no experience. Getting killed over and over only affects yourself, and not so much the whole group. In a heroic dungeon however, you screw it up for others. It seems that heroics are considered trivial content, and that newly dinged lvl 80 players should start there. Well I strongly disagree. There is also a normal version of the dungeons, it's called heroics for a good reason. There are enough means to get better at something without screwing other players up.

Today I was queuing up with my tank for a random hc, HoL. As I'm pretty well geared (59k hp buffed), I chain pulled the first packs, the priest ran oom and we wiped. He felt sorry and told so in party chat. But he did what he could do and it was my fault to judge wrong. He just dinged 80 with his first toon and his brother warlock was doing a first HC with him, so he could not get kicked. There was also a warrior and a dk. Warrior did 3K over dungeon, lock 1.6 and dk 1.1. We wiped 2 more times when the priest ninja pulled a couple of mobs right before 2nd boss. But that was just inexperience. But he asked questions about where to stand, he informed me when he was low on mana and when he had a cooldown. Everyone stayed the whole dungeon, and after about 50 minutes we cleared it. And we ended up doing a couple more hc's flawlessly minus the dk. Long story short: the priest clearly did his best, he was just inexperienced. But he realized that and showed a good attitude. And I rather spend time in the game with someone like him over a moronic player in fancy epics who doesn't have a clue how to play his class and says 'lolz m8 relax, itz only game, I dont need gems'.

That being said, I think the post you referred to was meant for multiboxers. There is always a 50% chance that a player is either bad or good. If you bring more than 1 toon into a bg, and you are bad, you basically increase the groups bad ratio, and you should imo refrain from doing it, because you screw up other players their game. Until you are good enough to bring multiple toons into a small BG to not affect the groups bad ratio, stick to AV, wintergrasp or isle of conquest to practice.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

And I rather spend time in the game with someone like him over a moronic player in fancy epics who doesn't have a clue how to play his class and says 'lolz m8 relax, itz only game, I dont need gems'.

Soooo true.

[Pycno]

Zenga, that is no different from me expecting everyone to be gladiators and flame those who are not. If losing a battle spoils your gameplay then competitive games may not be for you. You are supposed to have fun trying to win or trying to do other things such as achievements - there is absolutely no excuse for being antisocial and harassing other players when they are not cheating but simply playing their game.

If you want to play with players of your level you can hand pick each and every member of your party or raid for dungeons and nearly all battlegrounds, this would be a good thing as decent players don't have to be harassed by elitist players that becomes angry or frustrated with a game.

If everyone thought like you did then everyone would harass eachother because there is extremely big difference in player capabilities, also at gladiator level as some gladiators really are noobs when compared to the really good gladiators.

I don't like elitist players, imo they are always too far into the game, often obsessed.

[valkry]

Whats next - if your rating is below 2000 and your resilience below 1000 you also deserve verbal punishment?


Ive seen alot of really bad players and some dont dare go into battlegrounds or even dungeons because they are afraid of getting flamed. Imagine your girlfriend or wife playing the game from time to time and is not as updated as everyone else into everything and then some crazy nerd rager goes enrage on her because she took an sub-optimal item unknowingly or didnt manage to heal someone fast enough in a battleground.
Seriously, not everyone will be at your level of skill, gear and dedication - people should accept that instead of flaming lesser skilled players.

I don't think you read it correctly. If you CAUSE the loss. If you are the REASOn why the team loses. Then you deserve the verbal punishment. This can be achieved through any number of ways... why did you immediately jump to gear issues? I never even mentioned that.

PS: Posted this after reading the first sentence in your post, didn't read anything after that due to my amazement.

[Pycno]

Are you saying that every time you lose someone or several players on your team deserve verbal punishment for not being able or willing to outplay the enemy? And that every time you win someone on the enemies team deserve verbal punishment?

NO. Flaming eachother is unjustified, never necessary and it achieves and accomplishes nothing. It's just an excuse some players use to ventilate frustration onto others that is caused by their own addiction. If you can't enjoy the game that doesn't mean you have any right to offend everyone else.

I would love playing with you deliberately trying to lose, rather see you angry then decent players sad after your harassment. There is no way possible for you to annoy me or do anything but give me more to laugh at as I could not care less about you or your opinions.


Grats on being a bully that unprovoked offend and harass others, you must be a nice person.

Stupid people don't solve problems they blame them on somebody else, people get what they deserve in many cases and whining is stupid because it does not help - its the same people whining in all games and the problem is not in the game but in themselves.

[suicidesspyder]

Here is some hate for you. Last night before i turned 80 figured one more AB at 79 was in order, So went in there same game plane take bs take farm then hit gy. Well did just that they had capped st and lm so we had 4. I told them at the beginning how this was gonna work.

I said ok this is the deal 1 cap stables and stay 4 goto lm cap 1 stay there. I will cap bs one come and stay there, then ill hit farm. Worked good usually always win doing this. Bad thing was no one listened, They did cap but no one stayed can you believe that. Here i am sitting at gy keeping over half thier team and they gy,

And they let them recap everything. They blamed me. I was like ok i told you all the plan ive always won like this. But u guys capped and ran away. But you know i shoulda known when there wasnt a higher level then 73 on my side that it wasnt going to work.

So that was reality people just dont listen to reason. I cap u stay but they all wanted to follow me stupid people.

[zenga]

Zenga, that is no different from me expecting everyone to be gladiators and flame those who are not. If losing a battle spoils your gameplay then competitive games may not be for you. You are supposed to have fun trying to win or trying to do other things such as achievements - there is absolutely no excuse for being antisocial and harassing other players when they are not cheating but simply playing their game.

If you want to play with players of your level you can hand pick each and every member of your party or raid for dungeons and nearly all battlegrounds, this would be a good thing as decent players don't have to be harassed by elitist players that becomes angry or frustrated with a game.

If everyone thought like you did then everyone would harass eachother because there is extremely big difference in player capabilities, also at gladiator level as some gladiators really are noobs when compared to the really good gladiators.

I don't like elitist players, imo they are always too far into the game, often obsessed.

You didn't read my post, did you? I said the opposite of what you suggest I said. Even gave an example how I helped out a newbie. And by no means I mentioned harassment. I don't harass players, nor do I support it.

Was is that harassment actually?

For me harassment are comments like:
- you stupid fuck, learn to heal
- omfg how dumb are you? kill demo's first before players
- noob learn2play, you got your toon from ebay?

i.e. harassment in my book are direct insults where you drag down the other player his/her personality.

But stuff like:
- crap, another node lost cause no defense
- mate you should attack demo's first instead of players
- ffs jump on the demo when you are ranged
- damnit don't aggro mobs before I do, I'm the tank, next time I'll let you die

For me the last 4 examples are not harassment, those are comments/observations where you criticize someones actions, you don't question his/her intelligence. If they take that personal on the other hand then ... well yeah too bad i'd say.

Again, the only requirement I have from fellow players in my group is that they do their best. And I think that's more or less true for any group activity (sport/game) in society . And doing your best does not equal having awesome skills.