Multi-Boxer's Guide To Making Gold Through Heroics

[Shodokan]

lol i dont know how in the hell you can loot and kill that damned fast, even with my main group with 5to 6 k gearscores on all 5 i still cant loot everything that quickly! good write up, i've started doing some of what you have posted, its amazing how much money you can make just with a miner. I started buying saronite ore and smelting it to bars, then took the bars and had an transmute alchemist friend make them into titanium bars. what this yields on MY server is an average cost per titanium bar of 8 gold per bar, which then turns around and sells for 14 to 15. Which doesn't sound like a lot, but when you buy a thousand gold worth at a time and smelt it all while afk doing laundry or whatever, you can quickly flip it over for 1.5 times your money i make my roommate do this for me while i'm at work lol

I'm gonna take this info tho, and thank shod for a wonderful write up! hopefully i can make a few more golds with this

Ret paladins with 8-9k dps on trash tends to do that...glad you liked what i wrote so far.

[crowdx]

The speed for heroics is insane, I have soloed through heroics chain pulling mobs and the whole group close to 6k gear score and the Nexus still took about 20 minutes.
The logic is good BUT it is still VERY economy dependent, a good example is the transmuting of saronite to titanium, I did this on my server and ended up with a lot of the bars not selling at all, so VERY market dependent.

[Shodokan]

The speed for heroics is insane, I have soloed through heroics chain pulling mobs and the whole group close to 6k gear score and the Nexus still took about 20 minutes.
The logic is good BUT it is still VERY economy dependent, a good example is the transmuting of saronite to titanium, I did this on my server and ended up with a lot of the bars not selling at all, so VERY market dependent.

X-muting to titanium is to make your own titansteel, NOT to resell, it's just to get them cheaper than the actual price on the AH to reduce overall costs of materials you cannot get from instances.

There are obviously varying times, which is why i included further breakdowns. If you get a bad string of luck of like 3 nexus then yeah you'll get less, but if you get like 2x an and 2x gundrak it will be much much faster etc. It all evens out. This is done over time, not on a per hour basis other than the "worth" of your hour of time.

[Boylston]

A couple points, I think it may be easier to somewhat "start at the end" by explaining to people where the mats you generate from heroics end up. To do the full crafting route, I'd add in "combine with Saronite bars bought on AH" type comments to show how you progress from Stonekeeper's Shards or Emblems or Honor etc to finished, auctionable goods.

Second, I think you should really consider the time spent organizing/crafting/listing/processing all your mats outside of the heroic running time. Obviously this depends on how much "batching" you do before you go through a cycle, but if you assume a 20-heroic run, add back in the time it takes to manage the "back end" of this process before you compute a true gold/hr figure. It'll still be good, but it DOES take time to do this whole workflow.

I can make 1-2,000g a night from my flask business on an alt alchemist, and it's a character that doesn't travel or gather on his own at all. I buy all mats right at the AH and sell flasks right there. It's easy to say, "I just log in, buy mats, craft flasks, then list them and log off", but that whole process might take much longer than the uninitiated might guess. What seems like a quick 5min drill can actually be much longer. Flasks are crafted quickly, but if you've ever tried to empty a mailbox full of 3-400 items, you know how long that can take (even with a good addon).

I also think it might be useful to share with folks if you have bank/crafting on your "mains" team or if that duty is farmed off to banker/crafter characters. My guildies were shocked to learn just how much working space and $$ can be tied up in raw mats if you really get into the AH/crafting game. I have a tailor with a bank and guildbank full of Netherweave Bolts.... my flask character carries 15,000g worth of Frost Lotus alone on him at any given time. One of the advantages of heroic mat farming like this is that you shouldn't have to carry oodles of inventory, but it might be helpful to tell people, "yeah, I watch the titansteel bar market and pounce on a low price situation, spending 5000g if necessary when a deal comes along".

All in all, a great start. It was especially revealing to me, since I know some of the mechanics but just haven't really approached the Heroic running as a business in the same way as my Flask+Netherweave Bag business. It's probably because I'm still actively using honor/badges at times, but I probably do have 140-150 triumph badges on 5 characters that I could convert to cash sooner rather than later...

Thanks, Shodokan

[Shodokan]

A couple points, I think it may be easier to somewhat "start at the end" by explaining to people where the mats you generate from heroics end up. To do the full crafting route, I'd add in "combine with Saronite bars bought on AH" type comments to show how you progress from Stonekeeper's Shards or Emblems or Honor etc to finished, auctionable goods.

Second, I think you should really consider the time spent organizing/crafting/listing/processing all your mats outside of the heroic running time. Obviously this depends on how much "batching" you do before you go through a cycle, but if you assume a 20-heroic run, add back in the time it takes to manage the "back end" of this process before you compute a true gold/hr figure. It'll still be good, but it DOES take time to do this whole workflow.

I can make 1-2,000g a night from my flask business on an alt alchemist, and it's a character that doesn't travel or gather on his own at all. I buy all mats right at the AH and sell flasks right there. It's easy to say, "I just log in, buy mats, craft flasks, then list them and log off", but that whole process might take much longer than the uninitiated might guess. What seems like a quick 5min drill can actually be much longer. Flasks are crafted quickly, but if you've ever tried to empty a mailbox full of 3-400 items, you know how long that can take (even with a good addon).

I also think it might be useful to share with folks if you have bank/crafting on your "mains" team or if that duty is farmed off to banker/crafter characters. My guildies were shocked to learn just how much working space and $$ can be tied up in raw mats if you really get into the AH/crafting game. I have a tailor with a bank and guildbank full of Netherweave Bolts.... my flask character carries 15,000g worth of Frost Lotus alone on him at any given time. One of the advantages of heroic mat farming like this is that you shouldn't have to carry oodles of inventory, but it might be helpful to tell people, "yeah, I watch the titansteel bar market and pounce on a low price situation, spending 5000g if necessary when a deal comes along".

All in all, a great start. It was especially revealing to me, since I know some of the mechanics but just haven't really approached the Heroic running as a business in the same way as my Flask+Netherweave Bag business. It's probably because I'm still actively using honor/badges at times, but I probably do have 140-150 triumph badges on 5 characters that I could convert to cash sooner rather than later...

Thanks, Shodokan

Some decent tips. But as i stated in what i said, almost all materials i get are COD'd to me or bought from a regular supplier for a set under AH market price.

The time to make things really don't exist other than to "craft" the items. Which takes less than 15 minuets. All titansteel mats are put in the gbank and done by a friend as i don't have a miner. But yes there is value lost time i suppose but not as much as say crafting a assload of flasks and listing or re-list them.

Also i don't really watch the AH unless its to check for prices to make sure i'm still paying under the going rate. But like everything dealing with selling on the AH there is the "waiting for payment" period. So that can't be taken into account as the overall devaluation of time for doing that is the same across the board.

[wyofiddler]

Awesome writeup, let me add my sincere thanks for doing this, putting your time into organizing what you do into a readable flow and all that.

I was a little shocked by the reference to 15 min heroics with looting everything as well, I was under the impression that was only possible with full chain pulls and no looting/skinning.

Great info tho, looking forward to putting this all to work

[Shodokan]

Awesome writeup, let me add my sincere thanks for doing this, putting your time into organizing what you do into a readable flow and all that.

I was a little shocked by the reference to 15 min heroics with looting everything as well, I was under the impression that was only possible with full chain pulls and no looting/skinning.

Great info tho, looking forward to putting this all to work

It is instance specific, but they average 15-20 mins max. Between 3.5 to 4 instances per hour normally. Even with pugs (getting a healer for shits and giggles) i blow through things with only 3-4 extra mins added.

[zenga]

Ret paladins with 8-9k dps on trash tends to do that...glad you liked what i wrote so far.

First off, this is the kind of guide i was looking for. I believe that i'm an 'above average' money making boxer, but thats mainly because i'm a cheap ass (cba to buy epic flying for my guys even tough i can easily afford it) and hardly spend a dime. The thing that i realized after reading this guide is that i hardly use my smith, sewer, miner & bondage toons to make gold, while there is some easy gold there.

Second off, I personally can't keep running hc's for hours at that speed. I'd go bananas. That being said, I'm doing 5K+ average dps per shammy in almost very hc. My raiding shaman can easily pull 8-9k on single target bosses, 60k-ish hp trash is getting 1 shotted, my tank has around 50k hp buffed, and I chain pull mobs as much as I can. My findings: there is little to no difference if i pull 4,5k or 6k on trash. This will gain me maybe a minute in the end. Running through the instances and looting off is the most time consuming part while running hc's, not so much my dps.

But for me it doesn't really matter how much per hour I make. I rather see how much per 20 hc's I make, even if they are spread out over 3 days. And more important how I can increase my return on invested effort.

Thank you for that.

[Shodokan]

Because of the unanamous appreciation of this i will continue the guide. I was considering just leaving this as is due to my time constraints. But after my finals are over you can expect a 30-50 page guide, i will be making it a PDF and read only etc...almost like "publishing" it. It will be a full fledged guide including tips, tricks, secrets (there are still some), boxer specific information (like the heroics) among other things. So look out for that =P

[Tin]

Some nice info