Does anyone else see Cataclysm as The End?

[Kalros]

It wasn't meant to be directly negative to you, it's just that these kinds of posts happen all the time and they only breed negativity.

I see your point.

Like I said, I'm definitely going to be playing Cataclysm. I've already got my Worgen team all planned out. I'm mostly worried about the class changes. I've spent the last couple of years really fine-tuning how I play certain classes, and now I gotta relearn everything again.

I guess sometimes you're the Rooster and sometimes you're the Hen.

[thedreameater]

I read that shaman were losing dispells and screamed.
Then I read that paladins were losing dispells and didn't bat an eye (paladins need to be nerfed through the earth)
THEN I realized I am a multiboxer.

Nerfing single classes sucks if you play them one at a time.

[jinkobi]

I don't see why people jump all over the case either when it comes to discussing Cat... WOW is a game we OBVIOUSLY care about having invested so much into the damn thing. Because the crap I've read from Blizzard concerning class changes has all sucked.

They let the game get out of control with how powerful players are now. That's from Blizzard. Cataclysm is trying to reverse what they've done- but it's too late. People are too use to being powerful and facerolling most mobs now. It's a way to nerf the game back to where they want it.. People will still play and of course I will try it- if too far from the WOW I know and love I'll be off playing SWTOR.

Sure I speak with my $$ too and have quit WOW on several ocassions and came back when they fixed their screw ups. What's the big deal on talking about the obvious direction they are taking the game.

[kate]

I'm actually excited about Cataclysm and the (hopefully major) overhaul it will bring to the game.

Not because I'm unhappy with WoW as it is, but because the reason I play WoW is that I find figuring out the mechanics and how to optimize things within that system to be really interesting. It'll be great to see what they change and how it gets changed and to spend the time tweaking my approach to the game, especially with regards to boxing.

In any case, there just isn't enough information yet to even begin to worry about things. Given that Blizzard has been ridiculously successful with WoW, I'm thinking that they would have to have an apocalyptically bad launch of Cata followed by ridiculously bad fixes followed by literally sending teams out to break the kneecaps of every single one of their paying customers before they even began to maybe start to see their number of subscribers start to possibly approach 2-3x the number of their closest competitor.

[genocyde]

Call me an elitist tool but I'm praying they make cataclysm so hard that even raid geared stacked 5 mans have trouble completing the hardest heroics. Then add hardmodes to them on top of that. Then add RNG back to the game in ways that make you yell "Come get some" and light up a cigar every time you down a heroic boss. Then convert all normal gear to the emblem system and make it rare item quality save epic drops only for final instance bosses and hard modes and bring some pride back to this loot pinata of a game

Hell I'd be ok with Deathwing making random appearences throughout heriocs thrown flaming balls of death at anyone that hasn't moved in 10 seconds similar to BAAL attacking randomly in the worldstone keep in diablo 2 if you stood still for too long. Bring on the pain!

[Menthu]

He,

I am with Super on this one. These posts are the same as they were with the previous expansions. I always get like the "wtf-are-the-doing-this-is-gonna-suck" feeling but usually it will be just fine.

Just wait and it will be just as nice as always.

Off topic: Cataclysm will be perfect. To visit the old world again and go around and do stuff in it = superb

Junglelove,

-Menthu

[Kalros]

I think that there are ways to make new content that is challenging, even for those who have decent gear. I think Heroic Halls of Reflection is a perfect example of that. My guys were in full EoT/EoF gear (my Paladin in ICC 10/25 gear) and that place was STILL hard as hell for me.

Yes, with the gear that is available now, you can sleep through 95% of the Heroics, but when I first started running heroics with a fresh team of 80s, it was challenging, and at times, downright impossible. I can recall many a nights yelling and cursing at my screen because I couldnt kill one boss or another, or kept wiping on trash in Old Kingdom. But over time, as I started grinding out Emblems of Heroism and getting better gear, it got a little easier, but still fun as hell.

Then after I was able to clear all the Heroics, there was 'Glory of the Hero' staring me in the face, which took me several more months.

So basically, I think the challenge should be in the content, not making classes weaker.

Even with raids. In the beginning we had Naxx, but then came Ulduar. So we had a raid that could be PUG'ed, and then a raid that was hard as f**k! Though I never set foot into Ulduar myself until after ICC was already out, I didnt mind the fact that they created raid content for the hardcore nerds. I was more than happy to continue hitting Naxx and running Heroics.

Basically, I think they may be catering towards the hardcore audience a little too much. But like everyone has been saying, we wont really know until the content is actually out.

And I'm sure if they do something drastic that alienates a majority of players, they'll be quick to go back and fix it.

[thefunk]

durp durp durp

[Ghallo]

I gotta say, all you guys complaining that WoW is too easy confuse me. If you're done then why keep playing? If you're all out of challenges ... suspend your accounts until they come out with content that IS challenging. Or try 5 boxing Naxx-ICC and see the challenges there.

Facerolling ilvl 200 content with 232+gear is of course going to be easy.

However, if you really do want a challenge - toss your gear in the bank and strap on blue i187's (Superior!). Go to those same heroics... and see how you do.

[crowdx]

I think for me on my server in Dalaran nearly every toon I see has a 5.5k or higher GS, to me that tells me something is really wrong. In the BC only raiders of high end content had the epics, now if you farm enough you can get fully decked out in frost badge gear without ever setting foot in a real raid (I am excluding the weekly etc where people are requiring 5k + GS so that they can face roll the run).
I think going back to a mid way between BC and WotLK would work fine for me. Whether I would continue to multibox would depend on what was fun.
I think the game should be more tiered than what it is now, giving everyone from the casual to the hardcore something to work for and then able to show off in the game, maybe more titles for achievements?
Change can be good