Is my recount broken??

[Multibocks]

Question for those here: In raids my slaves can sustain 6k dps and thats ok for their gear level. Not outstanding, but ok. What's strange is I hear people hitting 6k dps+ on heroic bosses or the training dummy. With raid buffs I can see that, but my alts are consistently at 3kish(anywhere from 3400 to 2900) dps during heroics and on (nonraidbuffed) boss dummies.
At first I thought, maybe I suck. The problem with that is the absolute measure of dps (how fast does boss die) is inline with people that are claiming 6k dps per character. I can kill Loken in 17-18secs, etc. So now Im wondering if recount is broken or I have somethign wrong in the settings?

What really bothers me is people showing 6k dps on a training dummy when I cant get over 3.5k. Something is not right. How can I kill stuff as fast as these people yet never approach what they are showing on their meters for a training dummy?

[crowdx]

Someone here made a very valid point about recount, over the course of a regular heroic boss with dps spikes and how fast a fully geared group can kill the boss really throws off any damage meter like recount.
As for the training dummies, I have seen people posting here saying that they did their check on non-heroic dummies to simulate what their dps would be in a raid due to missing all the raid buffs.
I think the fact that you kill stuff very fast is the real dps meter

[Drizzit]

Tell me about it. My dps sucks so bad in heroics. I haven't tried my druid in raid yet. I was doing about 1.3-1.5k dps in cat form with mostly blues and greens. I switched over to boom and now i am doing 1.8-2.3k in 90% epics (granted i am missing enchants and gems, but gear in general is better). The reason is that i cannot put my dots on a trash pull, the reason is that the mob dies before the dots run out, so it is a waste of a CD. On bosses i just dot them once. The other thing is that i just spam wrath the whole time, when my eclipse does proc the trash is over or when i i finish the spell the mob is dead. Same thing for bosses, 90% of the time it procs right at the end of the battle. Things just die too quick in heroics.

[genocyde]

Theres a few things that can throw recount off by quite a bit.

Fight time can be thrown off by multiple things, for example:
-Pulling with your tank several seconds before you start DPS.
-Some classes have a slow ramp up time, you simply can't achieve good DPS in under 20 seconds.
-Recount will keep tracking your damage til you stop so if you stop dps and a DoT ticks for another 10 seconds it will count that time against your DPS. (Dummies)
-Short fights like Heroic bosses can be skewed wildly by lucky crit streaks. I know on Loken I have broken 11K DPS on a mage that managed to score 70% crits with awesome proc luck when his avg on that fight is usually more in the 8-9K range.

Also keep in mind that raids are quite a bit different than heroics in other ways. You can dump a TON of +hit in heroics to pic up additional DPS stats and your cooldowns can last an entire fight, also proc based classes may not get any love at all.

[Multibocks]

Ya I've thought a lot about the quirkiness of recount, but it still doesnt account for the differences in the dps screenshots I see people posting from their dummy runs. =/

[genocyde]

What team are you running, gear level, macro's etc? I've heard of some silly problems with recount... too many to list. However if your standing in a close range group nuking a test dummy that nobody else is attacking and getting consistently low dps... It's time to start looking for other possible probs.

Otherwise I'd go find a boss like Loken (stationary tank and spank) and a stopwatch and just time how long it takes to kill him from your first DPS button press and do some math to see if your real DPS is even close to matching Recount..

Also, compare your recounts time in combat to your stopwatch and make sure you are selecting 'current fight' or a specific single fight in recount when your looking at those #'s

[Ughmahedhurtz]

People tend to be self-promoting (which isn't a bad thing, mind you). Thus, people tend to toss out "I do 9k dps on heroic bosses" when anyone asks 'em about it. Problem is, I don't think there's an addon that will average across your last 10 bosses, or your last 10 heroic runs, etc., so you only hear about those "super awesome crit strings" where people do crazy DPS. You get less of that here, which speaks to the general d-b.com character (/high-five!) but it still happens.

WoWwebstats.com has listings for heroic bosses and overall complete heroic runs, which may give you a better feel for how folks are doing there.

[genocyde]

Problem is, I don't think there's an addon that will average across your last 10 bosses, or your last 10 heroic runs, etc.,

God I wish there was a mod that did that. If only addon coding was c# or java or something, I would write one

[Ughmahedhurtz]

God I wish there was a mod that did that. If only addon coding was c# or java or something, I would write one

The more I thought about this and got to looking, even WWS doesn't do this. It aggregates global stats per boss, per class, etc. My guess is that those web parsers are not designed to upload a big log or multiple logs and focus on the player.

Would be nice if wowarmory maintained a bit of that average data. I'd much rather have people checking my DPSScore than my GearScore.

[wowphreak]

its to easy to game dps meters. one of the things to look at is overall damage done it'll give yeh a better feel of where yeh stand.

I mean with my warlock specced aff I've done 15k dps at one time does that mean I'm totally awesome with a warlock, no, just that everything was in my favor at that time, it was a raid, was fully buffed, there was a large cluster of mobs close together and I hit the mother of all string of crits, go figure.

In 5 mans on my warlock the better geared a group is the worse my dps is.
In 5 mans once yeh hit over a certain gear level who ever can do more burst damage will have the higher dps.


If yeh cant get over 2k dps yeh just level 80 and/or yeh dont know yer rotation or i should say yeh priority que.