My new set up - building for aoe

[Bigfish]

What, you think the people running those things don't have overhead costs either?
These companies are NOT based in the US. I'd even argue that the companies that have shells here are sub'd out to other countries. Economics 101: Outsourcing (in the case of leveling characters) = cheaper costs, hence why you see the cheap leveling methods available.

Actually, outsourcing is more of a topic for an International Economics class, and is generally motivated by cheaper wages and lower working standards. It doesn't mean operations in foreign countries don't pay for rent and capital.

You think people can only speak one language? Did I state that? In my argument, I posed that he wouldn't find workers here (in the US, hence my $20/hr comment) to provide those services without exceeding the value of the services

Yes, actually you did state that when you listed language as a barrier to entry, which it isn't necesarily.

You think low-skill work provides insurance? McDonalds has a healthcare plan for it's full-time non-salaried employees, as does Wal-Mart for it's fulltime employees. I don't think we can get much more cutthroat in the US low-skilled/low wage legal labor market.

You've never seen many migrant workers, have you? Or, for that matter, taken an indepth look at the "insurance" "offered" by Wal-mart and McDonalds. Namely, being such large corporations, they are legally required to, and all that legislation really did was screw over the low skilled workers who had their hours cut so they wouldn't qualify as "full time".

Not to mention the Illicit Minor fallacy.

Do you even know what a no-skill and/or illegal labor market looks like? Again, your argument fails on the premises that if Sam wanted to succeed in his leveling by using a service, he would have to do it in house (US based), which means US based leveling, US based workers, US based internet company. Don't forget that we're combating time in this as well, because clearly the point of using a service would be to level as fast as possible. But, since I've only built two corporations, clearly I know nothing about business and labor markets...perhaps you can enlighten me: Where is it that I can find US based workers to work at $5/hr (minimum was higher at last glance), that have computers, don't need insurance, and have the internet available for usage? I mean really, if you have these people available, shoot me a PM, I'd honestly like to talk with you.

The capital is easy to come by, and honestly quite minimal compared to most small businesses. The labor is a matter of knowing where to look. Plenty of people out there willing to work for less than minimum wage, if you don't mind running things off the books, and plenty of people perfectly willing to work AT minimum wage if you want to be a stickler for that. Teenagers, migrant workers, the entire low-skill labor market who already work more strenous jobs for the exact same pay. All of them would JUMP at the opportunity if someone told them they could get PAYED to play a game.

[Rin]

I'm impressed. ^^ I would go on, because obviously you're a smart person, and I would like to argue about a couple of other things... but we're turning Sam's thread into an economical debate (nothing wrong with that, as I just learned something after reading and looking up what you had mentioned about the new legislation enacted upon large corproations with regard to insurance)

Rin

[Bigfish]

Ahh, but I love a good economic throw down! Anyway, high five. :thumbsup: That was fun.

Sam: Have you considered adoption? Legally, you could get a bunch of hippie-haired loincloth-laden orphans to level your guys, and if you're their legal gaurdian, it isn't even against the TOS!

[genocyde]

If someone wants to win multiboxing, I challenge one of you economically smart individuals to run for both president and vice president simultaneously. :thumbup:

(although, I will refrain from challenging Sam to run for every elected position in the U.S. Government simultaneously)

[Bigfish]

If someone wants to win multiboxing, I challenge one of you economically smart individuals to run for both president and vice president simultaneously. :thumbup:

(although, I will refrain from challenging Sam to run for every elected position in the U.S. Government simultaneously)

Nah, the real winner is whoever can get both the republican and democrat nominations.

...

Simpsons did it.

[Multibocks]

holy crap this thread is still going! (yes I realize the irony of me posting)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Arghhh Matee! My thread has been Pierated by economic peoples!


Well its a multiboxing forum, and lets face it, EQ is the harder game of the two. I mean umm no AA's to get in WoW. And all mobs is EQ are elite, and they dont stop chasing you lol ...

Thats not to say WoW hasnt made some excellent moves though. Anyone can auto follow, no fail combines in trades, AH instead of keeping your computer on all the time in Bazzar, I would assume better pvp... etc.

Went to work all day today and some female coming over soon but gonna try and log in and see whats up now.

[Sam DeathWalker]

This will be in the 3.0.8 patch (the one after 3.0.3 for some reason):

Tapping will get easier

"All player spells which cause a creature to become aggressive to you will now also immediately cause the creature to be tapped." I'm not sure why they changed this particular game mechanic after so long, but I only see this as a positive change. Basically, in order to get the experience and loot from a mob, you and your groupmates currently need to actually do damage to a mob. This means that casting a DoT, which takes a tick before it does damage, or a debuff currently will not actually mark the creature right away as yours even though it will now attack you. So you may get aggro, but someone else may have tapped it and will get the kill. But after the next patch, any spell that catches your target's attention will tag it as yours for experience and loot -- as long as you and your teammates kill it. This isn't really a huge change, in my opinion, but you should be aware of it when questing in heavily populated areas"



Does this mean that if you kill a mob only with totems that you WILL get exp?

[RobinGBrown]

Well its a multiboxing forum, and lets face it, EQ is the harder game of the two.

If EQ is 'harder' and it's taken you three months to get to level 22 just how long did it take you toget to high level in EQ?

I'm a bit tired of all this publicity you're generating while you're managing to actually accomplish nothing at all.

So from this point on as ar as I'm concerned this is all e-peen waving and attention seeking - show me some screenshots of at least level 60s.

[Svpernova09]

This will be in the 3.0.8 patch (the one after 3.0.3 for some reason):

Tapping will get easier

"All player spells which cause a creature to become aggressive to you will now also immediately cause the creature to be tapped." I'm not sure why they changed this particular game mechanic after so long, but I only see this as a positive change. Basically, in order to get the experience and loot from a mob, you and your groupmates currently need to actually do damage to a mob. This means that casting a DoT, which takes a tick before it does damage, or a debuff currently will not actually mark the creature right away as yours even though it will now attack you. So you may get aggro, but someone else may have tapped it and will get the kill. But after the next patch, any spell that catches your target's attention will tag it as yours for experience and loot -- as long as you and your teammates kill it. This isn't really a huge change, in my opinion, but you should be aware of it when questing in heavily populated areas"



Does this mean that if you kill a mob only with totems that you WILL get exp?

No, it means as soon as you cast a spell / hit a mob its tapped to you.