Melee-Cleave Boxing End Game Dungeons

[Mercbeast]

Fury is so much easier to manage than arms though. For 5man dungeon farming, I do more aoe as fury than I do as arms just because I don't have to micromanage so many things. I can just charge > zerker > ww / cleave spam. There's a lot more stance dancing in arms thats easy to lose track of.

Even though sweeping strikes is amazing, you could have used a whirlwind with that rage. For me, most packs are dead by the second whirlwind.

Arms is probably better if you're a good player and like to micromanage. I'm not making that claim.

The burst with arms is insane though. You charge in, SS, wait for 25 rage, whirl wind, and you dump all your remaining SS charges, if there are enough mobs to take them all. When I ran arms, it was pretty common for my guys to start fights out off of that combo north of 800 DPS on 4+ mob packs. Fury simply can't compete with that while leveling up, except on boss fights where you don't kill the boss really quick.

[strokes]

The burst with arms is insane though. You charge in, SS, wait for 25 rage, whirl wind, and you dump all your remaining SS charges, if there are enough mobs to take them all. When I ran arms, it was pretty common for my guys to start fights out off of that combo north of 800 DPS on 4+ mob packs. Fury simply can't compete with that while leveling up, except on boss fights where you don't kill the boss really quick.

I'm dropping packs faster than once every 30 seconds though. Outside of the first rotation, I really don't see how arms is better. My warriors average ~200-300 dps single target and >500 for aoe, and its braindead easy.

I'll take deathwish over SS anyday IMO.

Edit: I've been running Emperor / Strat live for the past few days. One day as arms and one day as fury. My average clear speed is a lot better as fury. Arms might be better, but fury is just smashing your face on the keyboard and I prefer that. Arms is probably better with worse gear.

[Akumatv]

I'm dropping packs faster than once every 30 seconds though. Outside of the first rotation, I really don't see how arms is better. My warriors average ~200-300 dps single target and >500 for aoe, and its braindead easy.

I'll take deathwish over SS anyday IMO.

Edit: I've been running Emperor / Strat live for the past few days. One day as arms and one day as fury. My average clear speed is a lot better as fury. Arms might be better, but fury is just smashing your face on the keyboard and I prefer that. Arms is probably better with worse gear.

wanna post a bit about your setup (macros, boxer setup etc etc) so we can compare a bit? Dont think anyone else has gone fury on all their chars so you have a unique perspective.

[strokes]

I never multiboxed before classic, but I can try to help.

One battle shout - https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-c...13000005010051
One demo shout - https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-c...13005005010051
My two best geared warriors - https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-c...13030025010051
5/5 booming voice in case I need to drop one of my two shouting warriors.

Never ran into a situation where I was like, "I really needed piercing howl there" so I don't bother with it.

Macros on Warriors

1 -
/cast Whirlwind
/cast Cleave

2 -
/cast Blood Rage
/cast Berserker Rage

3 -
/cast Berserking (I'm troll)
/cast Deathwish

Thats the only macros I use.

I pilot on my shaman and heal with mouseover macros. 95% of my healing is done with lesser heal / chain heal.
I don't really like healing wave because a critical will kill one of my warriors before the cast goes off.

How I Pull:

Place Totems
Battle Stance > Charge
Beserker Stance > Bloodrage macro > Whirlwind

Priority:

Execute stragglers > Whirlwind if no threat > Bloodthirst priority targets > Whirlwind
My WW macro has cleave in it so I spam that randomly for good measure.

Overall Thoughts:

I blow death wish / berserking on CD. CDs not on CD aren't helpful.
I use recklessness / retaliation as oh shit buttons - I don't need them for any of the bosses anymore.
If you don't have repair bots on your team, get them; they double your dungeon uptime.

I can do jump runs in ~12-15min
I can do Strat live in ~40min
I can do emperor in ~40min (could be a lot faster if I had 0 lag and could lava jump without killing half my team)

I'll try to whip together videos once I'm pre raid BiS - I'm still kind of dead inside after doing angerforge 200 times for 3/4 HoJ. I still have to get 4x dreadforge retialators, too. I could see my live runs going down to sub 30 and my jump runs to 10 with pre raid BiS.

Fury 2h >>> Fury DW for dungeons. The damage is about the same, but you have the luck factor with 2h - sometimes you'll just randomly obliterate a pack due to HoJ / WF procs.

Don't level purely through dungeons with WWWWS as your first team...

[Purpleflavor]

dont Execute runners. just spam hamstring on them. (horde only)

[Swydi]

dont Execute runners. just spam hamstring on them. (horde only)

Execute is highest damage ability per rage and time spent. If you execute with too many warriors then the value goes down, but I would still use execute on all warriors than do hamstring

[Purpleflavor]

Execute is highest damage ability per rage and time spent. If you execute with too many warriors then the value goes down, but I would still use execute on all warriors than do hamstring

You blow all of your rage for something that will die in one hit. Now you have zero for the next pack. Hamstring can proc windfury and actually build rage while stopping the mob from running.

Execute is for bosses and pvp. Save that rage for faster clear speeds.

[Swydi]

I'm dropping packs faster than once every 30 seconds though. Outside of the first rotation, I really don't see how arms is better. My warriors average ~200-300 dps single target and >500 for aoe, and its braindead easy.

I'll take deathwish over SS anyday IMO.

Edit: I've been running Emperor / Strat live for the past few days. One day as arms and one day as fury. My average clear speed is a lot better as fury. Arms might be better, but fury is just smashing your face on the keyboard and I prefer that. Arms is probably better with worse gear.

I have full prebis, exluding 2 slots, fury warrior doing less damage than the arms warriors. I specced him arms last week and now he alone is doing 30% overall damage.

SS is 5 extra attacks for 30 rage. Cleave is 1 extra attack for 20 + whatever you don't generate. WW is 4 extra attacks for 25 rage. At my gear level MS does more damage than BT. There is nothing that compaires to arms right now in 5 man dungeons without world buffs. The only thing fury warriors have over arms is the flurry talent, which on it's own isn't enough to do better than arms. There is also death wish, which I consider game changer but only in raids, overall clear speed is more important than shaving 30% from boss fights.

I am saying that you have really lazy setup which doesn't utilize SS well enough or really fast weapon(s) which don't synergize with MS/SS( /WW is available as fury too)

[strokes]

I have full prebis, exluding 2 slots, fury warrior doing less damage than the arms warriors. I specced him arms last week and now he alone is doing 30% overall damage.

SS is 5 extra attacks for 30 rage. Cleave is 1 extra attack for 20 + whatever you don't generate. WW is 4 extra attacks for 25 rage. At my gear level MS does more damage than BT. There is nothing that compaires to arms right now in 5 man dungeons without world buffs. The only thing fury warriors have over arms is the flurry talent, which on it's own isn't enough to do better than arms. There is also death wish, which I consider game changer but only in raids, overall clear speed is more important than shaving 30% from boss fights.

I am saying that you have really lazy setup which doesn't utilize SS well enough or really fast weapon(s) which don't synergize with MS/SS( /WW is available as fury too)

Yea, and I am saying I have a lazy setup. I'm not seeing your point.

Edit: I've done the whole Charge > SS > WW combo. I don't really see much of a difference between that and Charge > WW > BT considering most trash die fast enough to where it doesn't really matter.

I'm using 4x Waveslicers atm if that affects your decision making process at all. If the jump from those to Dreadforge Retaliators makes arms that much better, I'll be glad to make the switch.

With my gear arms is literally the same as fury as far as dps goes. Fury is braindead easy to play. The choice isn't that hard for me.