A word of caution for those using instance reset method

[Apatheist]

It doesn't seem to me like using this method to reset dungeons would be ban-worthy but who knows? Not worth risking your accounts over until you see how Blizzard handles it. They'll probably just issue a hotfix and then ban the people who intentionally abused it to farm raids.

Personally, I think banning anybody over this would be pretty lame from Blizzards part. Blizzard should have tested this stuff before implementing a mechanic that none of the players wanted in the first place. Using layering to farm/quest was so commonplace they had to add a cooldown. Why is it a surprise that people would also used it to farm raids? If it's not bannable to use to your advantage in the open world, it shouldn't be bannable in raids. Blizzard only have themselves to blame for their own poor quality control and lack of beta testing at 60.

Apparently Blizzard have already issued a statement/fix.

We’ve recently become aware of a bug that could be exploited to allow instanced encounters to be completed repeatedly. We have developed a fix for the issue, and we are in the process of deploying it worldwide.

Realm restarts are scheduled for 3:00 a.m. PDT (6:00 a.m. EDT) in order to apply this fix.

As soon as possible, we will identify those who knowingly abused this bug in exploitative manner. We will then take appropriate punitive measures.

As a reminder, Blizzard’s End User License Agreement 2 defines cheats as “methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods.”

As always, thank you for your feedback on this matter.

https://classic.wowhead.com/news=295...hments?webhook

Unsure if the fix will prevent resetting instances in dungeons or if they've only fixed raids resetting? Somebody will have to test.

[The Crowd]

It doesn't seem to me like using this method to reset dungeons would be ban-worthy but who knows? Not worth risking your accounts over until you see how Blizzard handles it. They'll probably just issue a hotfix and then ban the people who intentionally abused it to farm raids.

Personally, I think banning anybody over this would be pretty lame from Blizzards part. Blizzard should have tested this stuff before implementing a mechanic that none of the players wanted in the first place. Using layering to farm/quest was so commonplace they had to add a cooldown. Why is it a surprise that people would also used it to farm raids? If it's not bannable to use to your advantage in the open world, it shouldn't be bannable in raids. Blizzard only have themselves to blame for their own poor quality control and lack of beta testing at 60.

Apparently Blizzard have already issued a statement/fix.


https://classic.wowhead.com/news=295...hments?webhook

Unsure if the fix will prevent resetting instances in dungeons or if they've only fixed raids resetting? Somebody will have to test.

Do a quick mental exercise there... What’s the difference between an exploit and clever use of game mechanics.

And to further that, saying blizzard shouldn’t ban people because they didn’t fix it... is like saying... I know it was yours but if you didn’t want me to steal it you should have locked it in the bank.

An exploit is a straight up game breaking mechanic that you have instigate yourself, clever use of game mechanics is stacking up in a dead zone that wasn’t intended to be a dead zone in order to avoid a boss mechanic.
if you by your actions have to cause an event through your manipulation, ya... that ban hammer is coming hard and fast.

look at what they did to guilds who used to go into MC and try to call up if a loot item to see if it was going to drop in the same raid. And all they were doing was looking.

[MiRai]

Personally, I think banning anybody over this would be pretty lame from Blizzards part. Blizzard should have tested this stuff before implementing a mechanic that none of the players wanted in the first place.

If you found a bug in the website of a bank, and then proceeded to take advantage of it to further increase your wealth, should they not punish you after finding out, or should you get to keep the money because it was their fault and they "should have tested this stuff?"

Now, before someone argues that breaking the law of the country you live in and breaking the rules of a game you play are, in this analogy, different, I disagree. In my opinion, irregardless of the severity of damage caused and the possible punishment received, you are knowingly exploiting a bug, flaw, loophole, etc. in "the system," and by voluntarily participating in it, you open yourself up for punishment.

If it's not bannable to use to your advantage in the open world, it shouldn't be bannable in raids. Blizzard only have themselves to blame for their own poor quality control and lack of beta testing at 60.

Why are you labeling this as an exploit specific to level 60? In reference to this topic, what would testing at level 60 have revealed that testing at level 20 didn't, since this particular issue can be used in any dungeon, at any level? With thousands of players in the beta, no one who found this exploit stepped forward to report it, because if they had, then this would've been fixed long ago.

So, whose fault is it, really? Is it Blizzard's fault for not inviting more players? Would several more thousand players have found, and publicly shared, this exploit, had they found it? How does Blizzard know which players are not only good bug testers, but also honest people?

The above questions cannot be realistically answered, and because of that, the onus falls upon the player to not be a shitty person. If you are willing to be a shitty person—either in the real world or a virtual game world—you can, and should, expect that there are consequences to your actions.

[Apatheist]

Why are you labeling this as an exploit specific to level 60? In reference to this topic, what would testing at level 60 have revealed that testing at level 20 didn't, since this particular issue can be used in any dungeon, at any level? With thousands of players in the beta, no one who found this exploit stepped forward to report it, because if they had, then this would've been fixed long ago..

As Blizzard has stated, it's the result matters. The fact that you could do this to reset instances was widely known and used during beta and discussed publicly. Blizzard only seemed to have an issue with it when they realized it could be used to reset raids.

I guess I don't have an issue with penalizing people who used this to reset raids. That does seem deliberately exploitative. Myself and many others have been using this method to reset dungeons conveniently so we don't have to hearth or spirit rez. This offers no real gain other than convenience and if my accounts were to be suspended (unlikely, based on Blizzards statement) as part of a blanket ruling I'd be pretty annoyed.

[MiRai]

The fact that you could do this to reset instances was widely known and used during beta and discussed publicly.

I don't think we're discussing the same thing here...

There is an exploit where you can "respawn" a boss right in front of you by abusing the layering system, which, from the instructions I've seen floating around the internet, is more involved than resetting a dungeon. You can literally stay locked inside of a boss room and farm them non-stop, without having to re-clear anything leading up to them—just pick the boss that drops the thing you want, farm them endlessly until they do, and then move onto the next.

[Apatheist]

I don't think we're discussing the same thing here...

There is an exploit where you can "respawn" a boss right in front of you by abusing the layering system, which, from the instructions I've seen floating around the internet, is more involved than resetting a dungeon. You can literally stay locked inside of a boss room and farm them non-stop, without having to re-clear anything leading up to them—just pick the boss that drops the thing you want, farm them endlessly until they do, and then move onto the next.

Possibly? The Reddit post I read for the raid reset exploit were pretty much identical how we reset dungeons. Maybe they're different and I just wasn't paying attention.

I hope so, because manually resetting dungeons like Maraudon and BRD is a huge PITA.

[The Crowd]

Possibly? The Reddit post I read for the raid reset exploit were pretty much identical how we reset dungeons. Maybe they're different and I just wasn't paying attention.

I hope so, because manually resetting dungeons like Maraudon and BRD is a huge PITA.

BRD isn’t the worst reset... you can go into molten core and drop back out again instantly or just go to the bar, drop down to incendius and run out that way.
and there is a tell tell way to see if you’ve been using the same exploit. When you reset BRD, do you spawn back at the entrance, or do you spawn back at emp? I mean if how you reset the dungeon is portal a mage... log out the other toons while disbanding the group totally... and then relogging them all and inviting them to the mages group before summoning the mage back to the instance... (or just out side, this is vanilla after all) then that’s not layer hopping at a boss.

I don't think we're discussing the same thing here...

There is an exploit where you can "respawn" a boss right in front of you by abusing the layering system, which, from the instructions I've seen floating around the internet, is more involved than resetting a dungeon. You can literally stay locked inside of a boss room and farm them non-stop, without having to re-clear anything leading up to them—just pick the boss that drops the thing you want, farm them endlessly until they do, and then move onto the next.

People were literally using this to stand behind the throne in BRD, reset emp, and kill... rinse and repeat in order to get ironfoe... and such like.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Possibly? The Reddit post I read for the raid reset exploit were pretty much identical how we reset dungeons. Maybe they're different and I just wasn't paying attention.

I hope so, because manually resetting dungeons like Maraudon and BRD is a huge PITA.

Why is manually resetting BRD/Maraudon a PITA?