Comparison of squads for 5 man dungeons

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Nessimon,

Ultimately it comes down to your goals. Do you plan to take your team into World PVP (WPVP)?

If yes you really should consider 2 Healers as it is much easier to focus 1 healer down and then wipe a healer + 4 Warrior group than it is to kill 2 healers and then wipe the +3 Warriors...

There are discussions of this elsewhere but a 4Warrior+Healer can work in dungeon clears but you really need to run warrior as a Tank and the other 3 DPS.

With 2 Healers the 3 Warriors can all focus on DPS and a given warrior can switch to be more defensive in situations where the incoming damage gets too high.

Both should be viable and somewhat comparable for PVE but the 3+2 should be more surviable for PVP...

If I recall correctly Druid Healers are interesting in that their single main heal actually varies significantly in cast time. That variability allows the same heal to be like a flash heal when you down rank it and like a deep heal at the higher ranks and the mana costs scale (plus you have some HOTs and what not). With Druid you could go bear or get heals, ranged DPS, or some stealth options, or a PVP Flag Carrier depending on what gear you equip (and all fairly decently from a single spec).

2 Shaman may actually not be bad. If I recall correctly 2 sets of totems can stack pretty well and they can cure each other plus their totems can help cure well. It is also nice that both are semi-tanky in mail+shield & they can both chain heal and chain lighting.

If PVP is a focus, one thing you may want to consider is what debuffs your two healers can clear and a cheat sheet is HERE. 2 Shaman can cure poison & disease on each other or the warriors but have no counter for Curses or Magic debuffs... Adding a Druid allows you to also remove curses & adding a Priest allows you to also remove Magic debuffs but that assumes the shaman are not CCed... On the Horde-side it is kinda a 'whack-a-mole' catch-22 scenario which is part of the reason duo-Paladin in PVP is OP as BOTH can remove 3 types of debuffs...

Hopefully some Horde folk can chime in. My Shaman experience was mainly BC+ so others can likely give you their thoughts on 4+1 and 3+2 (or 3+1+1) in both PVP & PVE...

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There are discussions of this elsewhere but a 4Warrior+Healer can work in dungeon clears but you really need to run warrior as a Tank and the other 3 DPS.

No, you run all 4 as DPS.

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No, you run all 4 as DPS.

It depends on your gear and level.

What is the highest dungeon that has actually been cleared in Classic WoW so far with 4+1 with no warriors in defensive stance with shield?

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It depends on your gear and level.

How come? You shouldn't do orange dungeons and after that you're wasting a slot. The damage in classic is insanely low.



Most people running warriors will run a shaman so they get Stoneskin totem like shown at the start of this video. 15 damage/hit means this tank needs 71 hits with 0 healing to die. A tank is a wasted slot.

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How come? You shouldn't do orange dungeons and after that you're wasting a slot. The damage in classic is insanely low.

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Most people running warriors will run a shaman so they get Stoneskin totem like shown at the start of this video. 15 damage/hit means this tank needs 71 hits with 0 healing to die. A tank is a wasted slot.

What is the highest dungeon that has actually been cleared in Classic WoW so far with 4+1 with none of the warriors ever switching to defensive stance with shield?

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What is the highest dungeon that has actually been cleared in Classic WoW so far with 4+1 with none of the warriors ever switching to defensive stance with shield?

Can't link it, because of private server policies, but all the way to 60, including LBRS on similar tweaked environments.

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Can't link it, because of private server policies, but all the way to 60, including LBRS on similar tweaked environments.

Private servers aren't Classic servers and I doubt the Private Servers are limited to ~1.2 Tier gear like we will be in Phase 1. We won't even get 1.4 Tier gear till Phase 2. I suspect many private servers are at 1.12 gear Tiers which means they have tons better world drops and BoEs available.

Bottom line is no one knows for sure what will be doable in Classic WoW at launch and what will be capable with the gear we will restricted to until Phase 2...

It is better to be pragmatic and conservative and plan for the worst than caviler and definitive that things are doable.

A 4+1 with at least 1 Warrior geared for and practiced at Tanking will have a much better chance of clearing dungeons on the way to, and at, cap than a 4+1 that is only setup and practiced to run all as DPS. Once you have run a given instance enough times that you have it on farm and/or have typical upgrades from it that you should get from a fairly new dungeon to your team then certainly you may find that all in DPS is better.