So you thought it could not go further downhill for us?

[MadMilitia]

I don't think this should apply to multiboxing at all. Because at a certain point what's the use? 10 MM can wreck someone in a single global and 10 affliction takes a lot more time to do the same. Discrepancies like this will always be around. Most of these design changes negatively affect single boxers, too.

The GCD change is something very few people support. Because it adds clunky in a bad way. This is a seriously bad design decision. The good change would have been to limit each class/spec to one on-use offensive cooldown and make everything else passive.

The bad trend in class design since WoD is that they've made so many classes unusable to me, clunky and not fun. The change they are proposing is going to make even more classes no fun to play.

They should be making classes less clunky, not more clunky. One way to do that is to get rid of this absurd need to drop fire on a mouse click, switch most offensive cooldowns to passives and move most of every offensive spell to [@target] and [@focus] capable.

If it's easy for us, it's easy for a single player. That's a good design approach for them. Yeah not everyone likes RNG in their DPS. That can be solved though too by just changing how passives work.

[Kruschpakx4]

I don't think this should apply to multiboxing at all. Because at a certain point what's the use? 10 MM can wreck someone in a single global and 10 affliction takes a lot more time to do the same. Discrepancies like this will always be around. Most of these design changes negatively affect single boxers, too.

ofc you can always add more toons to compensate for a less burst game but for 5 boxing it makes quite a difference especially shamans aint doing that great in legion outside ascendance (well atleast for boxing). The major advantage for this comp over the past years was being able to oneshot 1-2 people very fast so you could take up more people, with that going away Im not sure multiboxers are able to win fights against an equally sized group of people.

[Wubsie]

... with that going away Im not sure multiboxers are able to win fights against an equally sized group of people.

While this of course limits what one could hope to achieve while multiboxing, I'm not entirely convinced that we should be able to win against an equal group of organized and presumably competent players. The game is not designed with us in mind and it seems to me that just bursting the same target to 100-0% them before they have a chance to react being a viable strategy to be competitive is not a very healthy state of gameplay. Granted most groups could not achieve the pinpoint burst multiboxing can offer under the right circumstances.

Yes, the change might hurt us, but if the common player is better off with the change, they're probably doing the right thing. In this context we're irrelevant in a way and it would not really be fair to judge Blizz based on how changes affect us.

[Kruschpakx4]

... I'm not entirely convinced that we should be able to win against an equal group of organized and presumably competent players. The game is not designed with us in mind ...

If the game is not designed with us in mind then why shouldnt we be able to beat an equally sized group of good players if the boxer is good aswell? Since there is no one in the dev team that checks if class balance does favour multiboxing for some specs these things eventually happen when you got almost 40? different specs.

it seems to me that just bursting the same target to 100-0% them before they have a chance to react being a viable strategy to be competitive is not a very healthy state of gameplay.

well why not? were not talking about 1v1 here and some specs rely on burst due to lack of cc or other things. And there is a difference between having no chance to react and reacting too slow because if Im smart and I run towards a group of elemental shamans I better not gcd block myself when I see he him targeting me and he starts glowing red and lava bursts flying towards me. As I said already earlier people at 2,2k+ even managed to bubble the mop enhancer oneshot. The problem we get now for example is that in the situation where an enhance shaman could pop ascendance and force a mage to block, the mage can now simply blink away since the enhance is on gcd and disengage behind pillar and wait for ascendance to fade, while prenerf the enhance would've gotten his windstrike out and forced mage block easily. So in the end its a direct nerf to classes who rely on their 3 minute cooldowns to do actual damage.

Wether its for the good or the bad, 3 minute cooldowns would certainly become less attractive with this change and then the game becomes a dps race which boxers usually lose since we cant use cc as effectively.

In this context we're irrelevant in a way and it would not really be fair to judge Blizz based on how changes affect us.

Im ranting about multiboxing viability in the multiboxing forum, seems fine to me.

[MadMilitia]

ofc you can always add more toons to compensate for a less burst game but for 5 boxing it makes quite a difference especially shamans aint doing that great in legion outside ascendance (well atleast for boxing). The major advantage for this comp over the past years was being able to oneshot 1-2 people very fast so you could take up more people, with that going away Im not sure multiboxers are able to win fights against an equally sized group of people.

I hear ya. It does impact us in a way the other team isn't impacted. But it does force you to reconsider the effectiveness of the class.

We don't need to 1 shot people to win though. You can go with a CC-orientated group and do just fine. The difference for us is we have to get off first. Always. just like in damage. If we fall behind we're toast.

I stopped playing my hunters for this reason. Great damage yes but their toolkit is so garbage for multiboxing. Warlocks thus far have been superior with all the CC they have and utility.

I never felt like 2s or 3s were out of reach. I just never put the time in to be any good at them. Yes there will always be positioning problems. Gotta play around that weakness to get the strengths that work. Like CC chaining. Nobody can do it like we do. One mind knows better how to rotate DRs than three minds.